Thursday, February 24, 2011

Respect

Here and here. Basically the Killzone 3 devs said, "We will combat cheaters with patches." And I bet they'll do it right.

Now if only Sony knew how to patch to make 3.56 non decryptable, the cheater problem could be easily fixed platform wide...nah better idea straight down from corporate, lets throw in the towel on our 10 year lifecycle platform and bring lawsuits, oppressive Terms of Service, poorly implemented bans, and the German police.

Even worse, you sued the guy who actually can write that patch, that'll sure teach him. If you haven't realized yet, the PS3 security isn't irreparably broken at all. But your reputation just might be.

62 Comments:

Blogger retroactive said...

I don't think they will admit the problem can be fixed quickly as it would minimize everything they had alleged thus far. As far as their reputation is concerned, in my eyes they are trash. They disgust me. I almost, just almost would rather smash my ps3 with a sledge hammer via the gallagher method than put one more cent into sony. If during the next gen of consoles a console other than sony's rivals it's specs I'm in. If the ps4 is beyond it's competitors than I'd rather pay money to amd/ati for their latest card. Normally I stay neutral in these kinds of things but that is how I feel about the Sony brand as a whole now and that's not going to ever change. They can do a 180 in their stance and I will still disregard. If you settle they will gain a legal foothold and I definitely don't want to see that.

February 24, 2011 at 2:42 AM  
Blogger Damien Turner said...

"PS3 security isn't irreparably broken at all. But your reputation just might be."


I think that should read "But your reputation is."

February 24, 2011 at 3:41 AM  
Blogger Jacob Juulsgaard said...

wise said!

February 24, 2011 at 3:49 AM  
Blogger kram1024 said...

indeed

February 24, 2011 at 4:04 AM  
Blogger retroactive said...

Quick observation before I go to sleep here. When someone questions the quality of people in this specific blog and the people who support George point out the lack of "First I'm so cool" posts. The end, night guys.

February 24, 2011 at 4:24 AM  
Blogger skyler said...

Geohot...just pwn'd Sony again!

February 24, 2011 at 4:38 AM  
Blogger ravi said...

please release unlock foe iphone 4

February 24, 2011 at 6:15 AM  
Blogger kamill85 said...

GH - you sound scared. Why? This post translates to "I'm sorry, could you please stop suing me and I'll help you to make the next FW secure." - which is lame. I support you in this fight, but please please please, stop making a wuss out of yourself. Thank you.

February 24, 2011 at 6:28 AM  
Blogger The Pirate Kid said...

Firstly I'd like to say What the Heck is wrong with Sony, I mean who the heck makes a console that is suppose to have a "10 year lifecycle" WTF, Does Sony think technology will be the same as today in 2017. The people at Sony MUST be really stupid. Seriously as time goes on hackers will get better. Did you really assume that your device which is meant to have a "10 year lifecycle" wouldn't get HACKED. You people at Sont really are fools.

George thank you for showing Sony that their EGOS landed them in this situation and that there is no such thing as "unhackable". Sony needs a reality check. I am surprised at how Sony is accusing you of "enabling piracy". Thats BLASPHEMY i tell you.

PS:George just to rub it in... Play Halo on your PS3(s)

February 24, 2011 at 7:16 AM  
Blogger Benjamin said...

another desperate attempt to get a job ..

February 24, 2011 at 7:54 AM  
Blogger Andreas said...

Indeed, best luck to you geohot :-)

February 24, 2011 at 7:54 AM  
Blogger Patrick said...

Why do I have the feeling that Sony would have sued the Arctic Circle if they built the Titanic.

February 24, 2011 at 8:04 AM  
Blogger J said...

What makes you think they don't have a new firmware coming that is not decryptable?
Are you that shortsighted?

February 24, 2011 at 8:46 AM  
Blogger XxRaVeNxX said...

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February 24, 2011 at 8:47 AM  
Blogger Silentmeow said...

I agree with kamill85 you defently sound scared. You opened pandoras box with this one. you should man up and accept that all your whining and rapping are NOT going to pull you out of this one. Asking for a Job? HA ! I hope sony makes you their janitor on toilet duty. They will obliterate you man and you know it. see you at the beach cool guy!

February 24, 2011 at 9:32 AM  
Blogger Nikita said...

geohot, if you could repair the bughole, why didn't you? why haven't you contacted Sony? and why tell that now? I thought that your position was "free development under any circumstances" and the last thing you would say is "I know how to fix things and wish they asked me to do that instead of sueing".

Clarify the issue, please.

February 24, 2011 at 9:38 AM  
Blogger XxRaVeNxX said...

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February 24, 2011 at 9:42 AM  
Blogger XxRaVeNxX said...

"Even worse, you sued the guy who actually can write that patch, that'll sure teach him. "

If this doesn't scream hire me, you are naive..

everyone at psx-scene was right about you..

I regret donating to you, it's obvious you're in this for personal gain.

Release the NPDRM keys. GeoHot, in short, you say you cracked the ps3, you are not happy Sony removed OtherOS, you are not releasing the NPDRM keys because you do not support piracy etc. So you are controlling just what we have and can use and do with our PS3's. The very reasons why you have done what you have done with Sony, because they do the same.

You are no better than them.

"My general definition of piracy would be the misappropriation of something in order to obtain personal benefit Geohot just what has been done. Hypocrisy has been used at will as best suited him, we do not condemn it piracy on one hand but on the other metldr the key post because it is a contradiction." -Namia

February 24, 2011 at 9:43 AM  
Blogger Kreationz said...

"GH - you sound scared. Why? This post translates to "I'm sorry, could you please stop suing me and I'll help you to make the next FW secure." - which is lame. I support you in this fight, but please please please, stop making a wuss out of yourself. Thank you."

"another desperate attempt to get a job .."

He is only stating as the hacker he has the knowledge to fix it and that Sony(unlike MS, Apple, and many others) completely ignored that fact and instead went straight to legal action.

"Even worse, you sued the guy who actually can write that patch, that'll sure teach him. If you haven't realized yet, the PS3 security isn't irreparably broken at all. But your reputation just might be." - Geohot

Paraphrase, "If you want your next console to be secure, hit me up." - Geohot's old page paraphased

He NEVER asked for a job or money, nothing there ever said he wouldn't do it for free or for free if Sony brought back OtherOS.

Side not: There is nothing hardware wise preventing OtherOS, only software. Alternative operating systems can not prevented via hardware. I've seen Linux installed in a Cable box, because it had a CPU, RAM, and storage. The PS3/Wii/XBOX/NES/Every console ever, going back to the Atari days ARE PC devices. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BASIC_Programming
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_computer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_computer_hardware <-- Look at the headings and tell me the PS3 doesn't have all of this.

Anyone who suggests a console(not just the PS3, but any console) isn't a PC has no idea what a PC truly is.

February 24, 2011 at 10:10 AM  
Blogger XxRaVeNxX said...

"He NEVER asked for a job or money, nothing there ever said he wouldn't do it for free or for free if Sony brought back OtherOS. "

A job is a job, whether is paid or not doesn't matter. If someone is an intern at a place, that is considered a job.

February 24, 2011 at 10:41 AM  
Blogger retroactive said...

Kreationz about your analogy I believe it is perfectly legal to explain how to pick the lock/safe/etc. In my state it is legal to sell and buy lock pick sets, and it's still a past time I enjoy. To the pirate kid their ten year cycle for the ps3 seemed to be more out of necessity than not.

It a strategic move because A.) they want to milk it for all the cash possible B.) it was a slow starter profit wise. There are more reasons like the for instance the higher end a system, and the more a system can handle in terms of game size, graphics, calculations for physics...etc. the more it costs and takes to develop for it. Studios can now actually get into serious trouble or risk of going broke just developing one blockbuster title. Their budget for one title might even rival the budget for a movie, which does seem ridiculous to think about. There are development houses that would be pissed to see a new console from them at the moment, and some might just jump ship and not develop for it.

They believe their customers are not ready or will still fork money over for new titles for the ps3. Also they don't want to over saturate the market. I remember at one point there were so many consoles out it took a while to figure out which one I wanted, or which one was worth it. Luckily I avoided the atari jaguar at all costs... ewww. Anyhow I am sure they don't want their customers to feel like they just got the ps3 and already they are jumping to the next best thing and leaving them hanging there.

This is not to say that they are right by any means with the ten year thing, these are just some reasons. To tell you the truth though it doesn't matter when their next console comes out, because they have disgusted me as much as a pedophile disgusts me and that is that. They can keep the thousands of dollars I gave the company ever since the playstation (original) but they are not getting anymore from me. Damn shame we can't petition retailers to boycott sony in future console releases... well I mean we could but would they listen heh.

February 24, 2011 at 11:32 AM  
Blogger The Extreme Gamers Daily said...

Sony has to get their head out of their ASS a realize what the hell is actually going on. They can't win this, and they should either stop or play smarter.

February 24, 2011 at 12:11 PM  
Blogger Kisha and Leon said...

hmmm well then todays post was rather ummm confusing to say the least,but let me start by saying i am neither a fan nor foe i guess you could say im neutral ... well mr geo you got to understand sony will never take your advice or help even if they REALLY wanted to because of your affiliations...thats like being convicted of robbing a bank but then getting hired by one???? i guess being gifted at hacking doesn't leave to much room for common sense right? now if you consider yourself connected with ps3 scene community or not it don't matter because sony considers you connected so they wont stop until they bashed you into the ground as far as possible legally.. Also you need not forget the saying dont bite the hand that fed you i wont feed i'll just say fed, them guys help donate what they could to help you out in the time of need don't ever forget that .. lol aw man dude i just thought of something funny about the situation your in, its like having two baby mommas one BM is really bitchy and wants to take you to court at ever chance she gets (sony) and the other BM is all sweet and nice with open arms until you dont do what she wants then she begins to ger real bitchy and crap (ps3 scene) lol wow funny stuff

February 24, 2011 at 12:49 PM  
Blogger Kreationz said...

Sony WILL try to do anything they can to stop anything/anyone they consider a threat to profits.

Example:
Sony vs Bleem!

They lost, but the cost of it put them out of business. Many times a lawsuit's purpose isn't to win, but to harass and create fear. Sony likely still considers the Bleem! case a victory due to them bankrupting the competition. I myself am an emulator developer. My next project will be the NGP.

February 24, 2011 at 1:00 PM  
Blogger retroactive said...

Kisha and leon your comparison seemed stereotypical but hilarious considering. I personally don't see it because the homebrew scene don't all agree on all things. Also I do not care if George wanted to settle, I mean it would be good for him and that's cool. I wouldn't see it as a betrayal but in the long term I wouldn't like it simply because it would give sony a type of legal foothold... for future cases. People including possible judges and others could see a settlement by him as admission he believes he did do something wrong, and that will not be good for the likes of others who will be sued later... oh and believe me there will be future cases over this. It would be good for the whole to continue this to it's logical conclusion, otherwise they will still continue this ridiculous plan of demonizing and suing. He did nothing wrong legally or ethically. sony on the other hand...

February 24, 2011 at 1:10 PM  
Blogger Leo said...

geohot, u shall be sued

February 24, 2011 at 1:23 PM  
Blogger George Hotz said...

@XxRaVeNxX To clarify something, I'm not opposed at all to companies or people using *technology* to control what you do. I'm for a law that says jailbreaking is legal, not Apple has to allow jailbreaking. If that controlling technology is broken, I don't believe the legal system should be recourse. And if you released the NPDRM keys, I think that's completely in your rights. But I don't see how I'm a hypocrite for releasing the metldr keys, which have many different noninfringing uses, while not releasing the NPDRM keys which don't really have uses outside piracy.

And OMG, I don't want a job at Sony. I'm just rubbing it in their face how stupid what they did was, to show them and other companies not to make the same mistakes.

February 24, 2011 at 3:14 PM  
Blogger George Hotz said...

And when I talk about reputation, I'm not only talking about consumers. I'm talking about quotes like...
"Sony is attempting to cut a small amount of illegal hacking by making its console completely blocked off. Third-party developers are getting increasingly nervous"
Not that the hacking is illegal of course.

February 24, 2011 at 3:23 PM  
Blogger retroactive said...

I'd ignore the crap about npdrm keys, seems like people are trying to pressure you to do something that can be used against you in court. People can just lay off of that because does anyone believe someone in his position would do something so stupid. Anyway loving the blog and comment convos hah.

February 24, 2011 at 3:36 PM  
Blogger David said...

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February 24, 2011 at 3:54 PM  
Blogger David said...

Geohot i have been following this story for some time, apologies for calling it a story but to all us outside the court it is just that. I have just one question though.

If your goal was homebrew please can you explain, why did you not at the same time make the homebrew SO secure so you would not land yourself in trouble. Surely publishing the keys is whats made Sony mad crazy?

All the best in the future.

David

February 24, 2011 at 3:57 PM  
Blogger Confucious said...

Geo - if you ever go to the dark side it would cause problems. I'd rather you stayed on our side but it would certainly make the game more interesting....

February 24, 2011 at 4:00 PM  
OpenID lucky777 said...

i hope sony ruins you and makes you lose due to resources these people don't have billions like sony does and not alot will be helping you there's articles that say the real truth around the internet you broke a law and now your getting sued i hope when sony does win they ask for damages and you can beg once again on here you can say give me money so i can give to sony

February 24, 2011 at 4:31 PM  
Blogger retroactive said...

Lucky who sent you NGT from youtube? hah. Alright first off he did not break any laws. Guess what though sony has and continues to. There's been a class action lawsuit against them for a bit now and it will be interesting to see how that pans out for them. What you are talking about is not justice or laws, you are saying you hope he is starved for resources by a multi billion dollar company so that he may not continue the court case and 'lose' by default.

You don't care about what is right, or ethical but your ignorant position and hope sony can win by cheating as it were. Guess what, I honestly don't believe it will happen this time around and I honestly believe if his lawyers stay with the case it will won. I almost guarantee sony will lose the class action law suit for their CFAA violation, and if don't I'd be surprised. What is with all these butt hurt people. Almost all of us absolutely despise cheaters. I have dealt with cheaters for the longest time since Counter Strike 1.5 on my old dedicated server, and instead of raging I did something about it and made sure they were removed as soon as possible. To say people who support CFW are nothing but cheaters like some youtube wannabe gaming celebrities say is utter bullshit, ignorant, dishonest, and distasteful.

February 24, 2011 at 4:52 PM  
Blogger kram1024 said...

I think Lucky777 works for Sony sounds a lot like what they would say, got same crap service from them and chose to jailbreak because of it so that I can use my rights.

February 24, 2011 at 5:38 PM  
Blogger Genkds said...

I hope you will win this Geohot, and just give Sony the bird finger. :-)

February 24, 2011 at 8:53 PM  
Blogger Nick said...

@George Hotz

Thanks for elaborating, things became more clear for sure. Looks like we don't have the same views, but your case serves both of our purposes equally.

I certainly hope that some time any kind of development protection will become thing of the past and every one will be able to code for any platform he chooses to.

February 25, 2011 at 12:19 AM  
Blogger idlesn0w said...

George, I fully support all of this. But the one thing that I question is the whole "undecryptable" work. No code is "undecryptable". Hell, if somebody with enough resources (say Anonymous?) were to organize a brute force attack on their encryption, they would get it eventually. Any algorithm short of a one-time-pad can be beat. I mean no disrespect, I am just curious about this.

February 25, 2011 at 12:22 AM  
Blogger zefie said...

Sony is just pissy because devs will, instead of making their game properly, just go to the 360 where a modded game = instant ban. Oh wait, Sony could do that too.

and maybe while they are at it they can steal the other 100s of things Xbox did right in their firmware. I used to be a loyal PlayStation fan. Loved PS1, PS2, and even PS3 until I tried the 360. But this isn't a vs comment, its plain fact.

When I purchase a game, I want to play it. I might have a small 5mb patch to download on XBox, or worse case a firmware update on the DVD.

With Sony, there is the possible firmware update (which takes twice as long as the xbox), plus sometimes you have up to 2gb of patches before you can even play.

Case and point, I own (a license) to PAIN on PSN. If I buy a new PS3 and download it, I have to wait for the 500mb download, then there are SIX (yes 6) patches ranging from 400mb to 20mb I need to wait to download and install in sequence before I can play. Even on a 20mbit line, this takes about an hour on the PS3, due to its shitty network stack.

So yeah, by the time the game is ready to be played, I don't even wanna play it anymore. This is why I dislike the PS3. These lame ass lawsuits just make me dislike Sony completely.

February 25, 2011 at 3:14 AM  
Blogger George Hotz said...

@idlesn0w haha, undecryptable...of course that's impossible in a protected embedded system

but not for the reason you stated. brute force simply doesn't work. for example, I gave Sony my hard drives containing "circumvention devices". those hard drives are encrypted with dm-crypt. I assure you if every computer in the world today started attacking that password, we'd be long dead before they crack it.

Hence the advent of rubber hose cryptanalysis.

February 25, 2011 at 5:30 AM  
Blogger shentino said...

If you want to make any deals or settlements with Sony you better remember who you're dealing with and make damned sure you don't get screwed.

They're already sleazy enough to sue the crap out of you and ask for everything but the kitchen sink in discovery. Keep this in mind when you're deciding whether or not to sign any of their papers.

February 25, 2011 at 9:20 AM  
Blogger rogerdodger91 said...

I wouldnt be so confident that decryption of your hard drives would take so long. They do have the ps3 cluster mumbo jumbo folding@home cpu sharing feature which if im not mistaken hit like 6 petaflops in 09. With that much cpu, calculating every possible x^n possible combination does not seem as calculation extensive as say mapping out and simulating your proteins folding from 1x10^-n to real time. Just saying, they do have these resources available to them. Realistically if hackers had a CPU power that big, any complex algorithm could be destroyed in a matter of weeks.

February 25, 2011 at 9:38 AM  
Blogger rogerdodger91 said...

ones that arent like pi anyways.

February 25, 2011 at 9:40 AM  
Blogger shentino said...

And btw, if your drives are decrypted I wouldn't be surprised if Sony subpoena's you for the keys.

http://xkcd.com/538/

Best of luck. My own rights are on the line here. Hell, I'm not even sure if a computer I *built* myself is going to be safe if Sony wins here. Do not give up the fight no matter what.

In fact I was set to donate to you but before I could go through the grunt work of dealing with PayPal the donations had already closed. Do you have a donation method that doesn't require me to deal with either PayPal or a credit card? I hate both of them about as much as Sony, to be honest.

February 25, 2011 at 9:43 AM  
Blogger rogerdodger91 said...

if his drives are decrypted they wouldnt need to subpoena the keys. His drives are encrypted using a passphrase that encrypts the data through an algorithm or series of math problems. If you know the pass code you, essentially you just decrypt the information back through the algorithm in reverse. I wonder if he runs his drives through the algorithm with a for loop x amount of times. That would really fuck sony over lol. Mathematically speaking. I mean its already a factor of like 4 billion different possible combinations. And if all of a sudden you have to know to not only the passcode but how many times you ran the encryption. You will never hack into his hard drives. lol.

February 25, 2011 at 9:58 AM  
Blogger Kreationz said...

I've read all the documents on the case docket and to me it looks as though Sony is trying to make things go as slow as possible to drag this out in and effort to cost you as much money and inconvenience as possible. Sony must NOT win by attrition as they did with Bleem!. Even though Bleem! was successful in the case it bankrupted them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleem!#Sony_lawsuit

February 25, 2011 at 10:08 AM  
Blogger retroactive said...

Non decryptable meaning not as easily decrypted. They could easily make sure that not just anyone can decrypt it easily, to the point it might be months or so before it's decrypted. With follow up updates they could make it so by the time one is decrypted another update is out. Which wouldn't be too hard on them unlike the recent flurry of updates that does little more than throw up a roadblock.

February 25, 2011 at 10:49 AM  
Blogger Kreationz said...

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February 25, 2011 at 11:25 AM  
Blogger Kreationz said...

I posted a really long comment about how Sony vs MS vs Nintendo handles indie devs and why games are $60 a piece but it was likely too long and got removed...

Here's a link to it at DaedalusX64's site which I run:
http://forums.daedalusx64.com/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=3152

February 25, 2011 at 12:05 PM  
Blogger rogerdodger91 said...

geohot, graf is getting sued for a million euros. And hes still hacking away shrugging it off. Crazy.

February 25, 2011 at 12:45 PM  
Blogger rogerdodger91 said...

by they way in the court papers they sent him, they are trying to use the fact that you got issued a tro by judge jap'n bitch, as a "victory case reference". lol

February 25, 2011 at 12:46 PM  
Blogger Kreationz said...

Actually the judge has followed the law to the letter(the TRO expires with the case pending the outcome hence the "T" in it). I don't blame her yet... waiting for the hearing on jurisdiction before I make a more final judgment on her.

February 25, 2011 at 3:00 PM  
Blogger clcancellation said...

about the Future FW's being undycreptedble... how this be done?

didn't KaKaRotos and other hackers said all future FW can forever be dycreptedble?

February 25, 2011 at 4:16 PM  
Blogger idlesn0w said...

@George

Oh, okay. But how do you come into this then? Did you create a new algorithm? Or just port an existing one over? And considering what happened to graf_chokolo, I wouldn't be too surprised if Sony sent a couple of their expert "cryptanalysts" to try the rubber-hose approach.

Let's just hope that Apple has a little more self-respect than Sony, considering Hackulous and its infamous Installous.

February 25, 2011 at 7:56 PM  
Blogger awesome said...

all, he's not going to say /how/ it could be repaired. That would take away a bargaining chip(which, FTR, I don't think he needs).

I'll donate for your next round not just because I support you, but because this lawsuit has reach beyond gaming systems.

February 25, 2011 at 9:09 PM  
Blogger mafalda1212 said...

Geohot you think that you know the PS3 better than Sony but you know sheet. The only thing you know is take credit from other people's work (failoverfl0w) but Sony is now suing your ass sick f0ck :)

> you were claiming that the PS3 was now wide open because of the release of the keys and that Sony couldn't do anything apart from releasing new hardware. You were WRONG ! No one's able to jailbreak not downgrade OFW 3.56 so far because they've added extra protection. The keys were decrypted but they're useless.

But I count on you to find a work around .... in jail ..........

PS : I c you've disabled the users votes on your youtube video. fed up of seeing hate comments thumbed up ? hahaha that's all you deserve ! ^_^

February 25, 2011 at 10:58 PM  
Blogger awesome said...

lol....mafalda1212 is either a bot or a complete idiot. You may just want to blanket delete those posts as they're word for word identical on multiple posts. Judging from his spelling and grammar, I'd say he's copy/pasting it.

Also, delete this as it's irrelevant to anything beyond calling out a spaming poster/bot.

February 25, 2011 at 11:31 PM  
Blogger Kreationz said...

@clcancellation - If the new firmware was "undecryptable" by current PS3 security it would be impossible to apply it. It's like this:

The encryption there has to use what's already on 3.55 to be decrypted. So, with 3.55 opened, it becomes a chicken and egg problem. It only takes someone with enough understanding and knowledge of the security to extract what is needed for the next update round. However, it takes time simple because decryption of the new firmware is only half of the story as Sony can add a second layer of encryption to it along with moving things around and scrambling certain bits so it will take longer to understand what's in the new version of the firmware.

For a non-tech example. You have a store(PSN) full of locked boxes(encrypted files like FW, games, etc..) that all have the same combination(the metldr key). When ever people come to your store(PSN) and people buy your products they get the locked box and then have to use use the company's unlocker(the PS3) that has the combination(metldr key) in it to open the boxes to use the products(FW, PSN titles). Someone(Geohot) figures out the combination(the metldr key) and puts it out for the world the world to see... Now, the question is how to you distribute new locked boxes(an encrypted file, FW in this case) with the future combo(the new metldr key) in it so that all future locked boxes can't be opened by anyone who wants to without needed your unlocker to do it... Quite simply, anyone who has the knowledge of how to use the key to open the boxes without the unlocker using the first combination can get the next one, and the next one, etc...

What Sony did was try to force the key out of public view(unsuccessfully) and then stop anyone with the knowledge to use it from unlocking future boxes through litigation. Rather than looking at the problem as a whole they are fighting symptoms, but once something is in public view(and thanks to Sony for the litigation and making it more public!) more and more people with the knowledge to use it will continue to open future boxes.

P.S. 3.56 was "decrypted" within two hours of it's public release. Changes in it that I won't go into detail(due to location of discussion and Geohot's TRO) about are preventing new CFW because the changed the product in the box as well. (It's still very possible, but no one with the right knowledge has gone public with it yet. I have suspicions about what Sony did in the update (how they kept the new key hidden away from view of those with the old one), but I won't say as it may hamper the efforts of others with the same knowledge.

February 26, 2011 at 9:54 AM  
Blogger Kreationz said...

One last note, there is a way to resecure the system, to prevent cheaters on PSN, etc... even without a single ban. Sony should look at their own FFXI tactics for preventing cheating on the PC for starters and give developers the tools they need with the SDK. Sony is trying to swat a fly with an elephant gun right now.

As far as MW2 goes the problem lies both with Sony and Infinity Ward. Dongled jail-breaking occurred before the key release. The cheating/piracy was inevitable and games were being pirated before Geohot. They should have learned the lesson Blizzard learned long ago on the Diablo series. You must have closed secure servers to prevent things like stat hacking whether or not yours is a closed system. The PC is as open as they come, but company's like Blizzard install functions in their game to monitor for "unusual" activity. It is then flag and those players are forced to use specific "hacker" servers until the issue is resolved with either an "OK, he was just that good and it was legit." or "He cheated, banned!" I fully support Geohot's cause, but any using the hacks for the PS3 on PSN violates their EULA and should be banned. They have the duty and the RIGHT to refuse service to anyone for a legitimate reason, but not the right to abuse the law nor the right to take away a product that their consumer paid for. If I buy a gun and kill someone, is the manufacturer(Geohot in the case of the hack) responsible? Not according to the law. Same scenario, is it the manufacturer's(this time Sony and OtherOS) right to take back every gun they produced to force their customers to switch to rubber bullets to prevent future killings? I don't think so.

Final note: Online must stay legit to preserve the gamer experience, but it's up to Sony and the developers of your favorite games to ensure that happens, not the court system. Blame them and the ones who create the cheat apps and ask the developers to fix it!! (If someone breaks into my house, I'd get a better lock and go after the thief, not sue the company that made the lock pick the thief used.)

February 26, 2011 at 2:18 PM  
Blogger Anzin said...

K├╝bler-Ross model
he's now on bargaining stage.

March 2, 2011 at 7:07 AM  
Blogger Xqwzts said...

"I wouldnt be so confident that decryption of your hard drives would take so long. They do have the ps3 cluster mumbo jumbo folding@home cpu sharing feature which if im not mistaken hit like 6 petaflops in 09. With that much cpu, calculating every possible x^n possible combination does not seem as calculation extensive as say mapping out and simulating your proteins folding from 1x10^-n to real time. Just saying, they do have these resources available to them. Realistically if hackers had a CPU power that big, any complex algorithm could be destroyed in a matter of weeks."

Look up any NP-Complete problem and you'll get a better understanding on algorithm complexity. Assuming George didn't do something stupid, like using a dictionary word for his password or maybe not encrypting his swap space, and as long as his password is at least 10 characters, varying case and the includes presence of numbers and symbols, then I'd back his claim that Sony will probably not be able to break it.

March 3, 2011 at 12:46 PM  
Blogger Scott said...

to put it bluntly if i was a computer company and i knew someone had hacked my system theres not a chance in hell id hire them to fix it the person cant be trusted

April 13, 2011 at 1:12 AM  

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