Saturday, April 16, 2011

$10,000 to the EFF

As promised, all left over legal defense money, plus a little to bump it to a nice number, has been sent to the EFF. Thank you all so much for your support, without it, things could have been much worse.

This money goes to the EFF in hopes that America can one day again be a shining example of freedom, free of the DMCA and ACTA, and that private interest will never trump the ideas laid out in the constitution of privacy, ownership, and free speech.

At the end of the day, something I take comfort in. The PS3 got OWNED.
"Once the code works they'll never be able to take it away from us."

Will you be continuing your work on Sony products anonymously?
Nah. As much as I don't respect the goons at Sony, I do respect the court.

Will future research on Sony products be chilled?
Nah. If you piss them off enough for them to pull out the legal team and their million dollar checkbook, worst thing that happens is you have to super swear to never do it again.

Will Sony do a better job with security next time?
LOL, I think they'll do a lot worse. It wouldn't surprise me if the people who did PS3 security were fired. And I'm curious as to who Sony is hiring for NGP security. Lawyers? Get the code to sign a contract that it won't have exploits? You shouldn't piss off the community of people who are actually talented at this stuff. Hell, maybe you even pissed off your engineering employees enough to leave some nice backdoors?


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Blogger zaphod said...

Well, looks like i was right.

You did the right thing here.

April 16, 2011 at 1:42 AM  
Blogger George Hotz said...

I try :) Needed to wait for everything to come to a close. And I was trying to get someone to match the donation, but it didn't work out.

April 16, 2011 at 1:44 AM  
Blogger ThePirateKid said...

I knew you we're a man of your word... Hope you continue hacking!

April 16, 2011 at 1:44 AM  
Blogger ThePirateKid said...

Any other products on the agenda? @george hotz

April 16, 2011 at 1:47 AM  
Blogger Icestar said...

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April 16, 2011 at 1:47 AM  
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April 16, 2011 at 1:49 AM  
Blogger George Hotz said...

Eh, people will still complain...overall I still have to pay tax on the money I paid to lawyers, so I lost money in this whole ordeal. But I don't have to pay that until next April :)

April 16, 2011 at 1:50 AM  
Blogger George Hotz said...

@Icestar Hell, they could have called me the day after I released the metldr key and I would have told them how to fix it...and not like the halfassed job done in 3.60

April 16, 2011 at 1:52 AM  
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April 16, 2011 at 1:53 AM  
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April 16, 2011 at 1:55 AM  
Blogger Clayton Braasch said...

Good to see you followed through on your promise.

And yeah, 3.60 is still plenty vulnerable and grabbing private keys isn't a difficult task if you know what you're doing; shame you can't talk about it anymore. Best of luck to you moving forward, George.

April 16, 2011 at 1:55 AM  
Blogger George Hotz said...

@Icestar Some people call me immature...

@Clayton Braasch I'm sad I can't talk about it too, but oh well. Every time I would've talked about the PS3, I'll instead talk about how much Sony sucks.

April 16, 2011 at 1:58 AM  
Blogger Clayton Braasch said...

@George People are going to call you immature and send you hateful stuff, but I guess you'll learn to ignore it. But hey, Sony does suck for their unethical treatment of people who could fix and improve what they screwed up in the first place.

Hopefully you won't close this blog like you did with your others (you really should re-open On the iPhone some day; after this entire lawsuit, you can probably deal with a few pests leaving comments about stuff).

April 16, 2011 at 2:04 AM  
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April 16, 2011 at 2:04 AM  
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April 16, 2011 at 2:07 AM  
Blogger George Hotz said...

The haters don't really bother me, I actually enjoy the clever ones.

The immature comment was in contrast to the execs at Sony, who are probably still crying to this day about the PS3 being hacked. They remind me a lot of PS3 fanboys.

April 16, 2011 at 2:08 AM  
Blogger George Hotz said...

@Icestar I was a big Sony fan too in the beginning of January...well not Sony BMG, but the other parts of Sony.

April 16, 2011 at 2:09 AM  
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April 16, 2011 at 2:10 AM  
Blogger Henry said...

Should totally just have that captioned on the screenshot

April 16, 2011 at 2:11 AM  
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April 16, 2011 at 2:12 AM  
Blogger ThePirateKid said...

@George Hotz will you disclose ur legal costs?

April 16, 2011 at 2:13 AM  
Blogger George Hotz said...

@ThePirateKid My lawyers have asked that I don't

April 16, 2011 at 2:14 AM  
Blogger shentino said...

Good show, I was rooting for you the whole way.

Though I am still curious why you backed off so quickly. Did the pressure of litigation get to you, did Sony get something bad on you, or did you get a bad vibe from the judge or something?

I'm just curious why you backed down.

For a sec, I thought that either Sony decided to finger your jailbreak for the anonymous attack, or that Paypal shut down your donation fund after getting subpoena'ed by Sony (they do have a track record of their own for being a pack of assholes).

Your sudden settlement after a strong fight no doubt will provide fodder for conspiracy nuts for quite some time.

Any light you can shed on this sudden decision to settle would be much appreciated.

Again, though, thank you for giving Sony a fight that they'll never forget. I would strongly encourage anyone to follow up on his suggestion of that declaratory judgement thingy.

April 16, 2011 at 2:26 AM  
Blogger ripandhack said...

@george hey george my name is zach, im 15 and i was wondering, should i get into hacking? i really dont know what to do. its either that or web design. ive just started a computer programming club in my school and we are working on apps and stuff like that. i wish i could meet you someday, im a big fan.

April 16, 2011 at 2:27 AM  
Blogger George Hotz said...

@shentino I'm not allowed to talk about it.

Don't get me started on paypal, I have to deal with their shit like once a year. But they are better than the alternatives.

Most conspiracies aren't true in general. Overall, there are better and more productive ways to fight this war out of the courts, where the laws are massively lobbied for by big content.

April 16, 2011 at 2:32 AM  
Blogger ThePirateKid said...

@ripandhack So am I... Any tips George?

April 16, 2011 at 2:36 AM  
Blogger ripandhack said...

@thepiratekid you are what? 15? into hacking and web design? started a programming club? a big fan?

April 16, 2011 at 2:39 AM  
Blogger Bass Ouji said...

You did the right thing George. I'm positive the EFF will love this donation.

April 16, 2011 at 2:40 AM  
Blogger Bass Ouji said...

And the EFF will use it well. (sorry for double posting)

April 16, 2011 at 2:47 AM  
Blogger shentino said...

Oh well, I hope it wasn't anything nasty. Thankfully I haven't had to learn first hand, but being sued isn't fun. You sure went much further than I could have in your place.

Doesn't look like Sony got the hint though, they're starting another huge legal fight against graf in Europe.

Best of luck in the future, and hopefully the next hacker that Sony decides to tangle with is armed to the teeth and goes for the jugular.

April 16, 2011 at 2:48 AM  
Blogger George Hotz said...

@Bass Ouji I believe it. And I have some ideas to put us on the offensive, which I plan to discuss with the EFF.

April 16, 2011 at 2:49 AM  
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April 16, 2011 at 2:56 AM  
Blogger shentino said...

Hell, I don't even OWN a PS3 and I'm 110 percent outraged at Sony's antics. The ONLY Sony hardware I have in my possession is an old PS2 that I got a few years ago before I ever even heard of you and your iphone hacking.

I won't be replacing it, naturally.

Anything you and the EFF can do to breathe some life into our rights as consumers will be greatly appreciated.

Keep up the good fight, you've got at least one diehard fan come hell or high water.

April 16, 2011 at 3:11 AM  
Blogger Andy said...

Why didn't you give it to graf

April 16, 2011 at 3:37 AM  
Blogger George Hotz said...

@Andy cause I promised it to the EFF.

graf if you are reading this, get in touch with me, geohot gmail

April 16, 2011 at 3:49 AM  
Blogger Andy said...

quick reply, greetings from vancouver (:

April 16, 2011 at 3:59 AM  
Blogger Wyatt said...

Aww, you should have bought a Humble Bundle with it! Allocate it all to EFF and sit on top of the leaderboards. :P

April 16, 2011 at 4:07 AM  
Blogger BOBBAAAY said...

well your a big loss to the scene, hopefully somebody can fill those boots,
you did what you had to do !

good luck in the future George !

April 16, 2011 at 4:37 AM  
Blogger lhurgoyf said...

@George Did you tried to contact Graf at egorenar gmail ?
he seems in deep shit, one guy commented this on Graf blog "the problem is that your lawyer didn’t contest the TRO..."...

April 16, 2011 at 5:30 AM  
Blogger ThePirateKid said...

@ripandhack 15 and into hacking

April 16, 2011 at 5:43 AM  
Blogger Medox said...

The people are right. You should have given it to graf_chokolo. Maybe ask us if we are ok with not respecting your promise, in a poll of some kind and I'm sure 99% would have voted to give it to him. After his fight, the money would also go to the EFF.

Well, now it's too late and then again. And it's not a biggie after all. Very nice of you to keep your promise and I hope you'll still do some stuff, anonymously :)

April 16, 2011 at 6:41 AM  
Blogger Rob said...

George, I get the impression people donated to you because of what you were standing up for. When you settled this case my feeling is that if people knew you were going to settle they wouldn't have donated money to you. You gave the impression that you would fight this to the end. It's very dissapointing because you have got off with minimal damage, whereas the community as a whole if forever damaged because of your "not seeing this to the end".

April 16, 2011 at 7:09 AM  
Blogger MaYKoN said...

you are the man hotz..
from Brazil

April 16, 2011 at 7:50 AM  
Blogger braynhooter said...

@George: Why don't you ever talk about the new hacker friendly politics of Sony Ericsson? Because it doesn't fit your stupid "Everything from Sony is bullshit" hatred? Seems pretty immature to me ;)

April 16, 2011 at 8:08 AM  
Blogger Shadow said...

Some are begining to wonder if the PS3 hacking scene and homebrew is worth it. If GeoHot isnt working on the PS3 anymore...then who is??? I know others out there are still putting out apps and other hacks for the PS3, but noone seems to be working on a 3.60 CFW! We already know Math has cracked it. It's been discovered, exploited and revealed. So where is it?! I dont know if these guys are just scared, intimidated or hiding from the cops...but those holding all the cards, arent lifting a finger. Well let me make this clear to whom it may concern:

You guys claimed that you werent releasing a 3.60 CFW untill there was a NEED for it. Well....we are starting to see games (Portal 2) that are requiring you to have 3.60 firmware to play it. If were all stuck on 3.55...and new games are being released with 3.60...then it dont make much sense to continue this homebrew/hacking scene if we cant play our games!!! I'd do it my damn self if I knew how, but the more games we see that require 3.60 to play...the more youre gonna see people asking for 3.60 CFW. Quit sitting on it and release the damn thing, already. Otherwise, im gonna end up updating back to OFW 3.60 and say fuck it!

April 16, 2011 at 9:04 AM  
Blogger iGn0st said...

@George You did the right thing...aren't you thinking of returning to Twitter ? :)

April 16, 2011 at 10:23 AM  
Blogger Justus said...

looks like all the retarded 16 year olds woke up

April 16, 2011 at 10:47 AM  
Blogger iGn0st said...

@Justus 15 years old BTW.

April 16, 2011 at 11:14 AM  
OpenID cynan said...

As a good friend of mine would say, you're a scholar and a gent.

April 16, 2011 at 11:47 AM  
OpenID jacob said...

@George the settlement said that you are not allowed to hack a Sony product it but what about passing on your knowledge? would that be against the settlement?

April 16, 2011 at 11:49 AM  
Blogger clcancellation said...

geohot,as for "PS3 goes OWEND"
are you believe there will be further hacks for newer FW's,like 3.60?


April 16, 2011 at 11:54 AM  
Blogger abc11934 said...

There is one thing that i wonder about all of this case, and that is why it seem to be little understanding for the other side.

I mean, isn't it pretty clear that companies who spend millions of dollars including security system does this mainly to protect themself against piracy (at least when we talk about gaming consoles)? And when someone busts open their security system (which usually also opens for piracy possibilities even if the hackers doesn't do piracy directly themself), isn't it then understandable that the companies will be pissed and don't want this to happened?

Wouldn't it be better to go directly to the company first and try to get a dialouge going about getting official homebrew and/or Linux support instead? Now you might think "it will never work to get a dialouge with the companies about this stuff" and that might very well be the truth indeed. But in my opinion, doing this does at least shows respect for the companies and maybe then they will show respect back as well.

For us consumers, these types of devices/consoles are a piece of hardware that costs some hundred dollars, but for the companies it is an investment of several of hundred millions of dollars. So personally i understand why they dont want their device to be hacked.

I'm generally speaking here by the way, this isnt directly soley at Geohot or anyone else specific.

April 16, 2011 at 11:59 AM  
Blogger zefie said...

Companies don't want their product hacked because they want to maintain control.
The NGP would be an awesome platform to have homebrew, even if it was a fee based system like Microsoft XNA.

Sony didn't ask Geohot for the fix simply because asking a consumer something like that would require giving half a damn about your consumers.

Sadly most companies are currently on this kick that impressing the NEW customer is 20x more important than keeping the EXISTING LOYAL customers happy.

After all why take the effort of making your existing customers happy when you can just get rid of them and sucker in twice as many new customers.

April 16, 2011 at 12:17 PM  
Blogger Kreationz said...

This will be broken into several long posts:

@clcancellation - There are others working on it and yes it has been broken, but the work is still currently a largely underground effort.

@abc11934 - Thank you for posing the proper question to ask this kind of forum.
"I mean, isn't it pretty clear that companies who spend millions of dollars including security system does this mainly to protect themself against piracy (at least when we talk about gaming consoles)? And when someone busts open their security system (which usually also opens for piracy possibilities even if the hackers doesn't do piracy directly themself), isn't it then understandable that the companies will be pissed and don't want this to happened?"

Yes, that is clear and yes they have a right to "secure" their software, movies, music, products, etc... but what they don't have a right to do is take from me something I legally paid for. Imagine this for a moment.

Your a locksmith(hacker) and you buy a car(PS3) complete with title(receipt). The original owner(Sony) comes buy with a key he still has and takes out the navigation system(OtherOS) because he says it has "potentially" harmful(can be used for piracy) items and personal stuff on it. Is it an essential item? No. Is it one you likely paid premium for? Yes(I know I did). He refuses to give it back, the courts so, "show me the navigation system on the bill of sale."(Sony original argument in the CAS) But it only says, "Car"(They talked about it to developers, but not direct advertising, but it's right in the menu for the average consumer) and he says it wasn't part of the deal. So what recourse do you have other than to "steal" it back. It's in his house(the PS3), but no way to get in without breaking the lock(they did a decent security job as it took 4 years, but there was less motivation before). You go in and only grab the nav system(reable Linux). Then you tell people I broke in and got my shit back(GeoHotz site). Everyone flocks to the site(buy "hacking" their PS3's) and now walks in freely due to the broken lock and steals everything in sight(piracy). If they hadn't stole from you their house would still be secure(there would have been no site to flock to...). If they had asked your(the hacking community) help in the first place you would have given them their personal data back(help keep their stuff safe).

April 16, 2011 at 12:47 PM  
Blogger Kreationz said...

"Wouldn't it be better to go directly to the company first and try to get a dialouge going about getting official homebrew and/or Linux support instead? Now you might think "it will never work to get a dialouge with the companies about this stuff" and that might very well be the truth indeed. But in my opinion, doing this does at least shows respect for the companies and maybe then they will show respect back as well."

Yes, and this is the better option and MS listen with XLIG and it can work, but this was tried and refused with Sony and even after the Linux removal and people begging on their site, they said no.

"For us consumers, these types of devices/consoles are a piece of hardware that costs some hundred dollars, but for the companies it is an investment of several of hundred millions of dollars. So personally i understand why they dont want their device to be hacked."

$600(Original Cost of PS3 w/OtherOS)/$60,000(average middle class US family) = 1% of that person's annual income

$1,000,000,000(we'll say a billion estimate for development)/$88,205,000,000(Sony's disclosed 2010 income = ~1% to them...

Proportionally, both sides take the same risk of investment of their personal income. While it may not be an income producing device for the individual, it does come with an implied value(You get A+B+C for $600, but take away C and is it still worth $600). Like I said I had no problem with it not being on the Phat. That would leave it to the consumer to decide if it was still worth the value it was offered at.

"I'm generally speaking here by the way, this isnt directly soley at Geohot or anyone else specific."

This comment was posted in a very specific place, but taking you at your word. You will this this reiterated over and over around the net. Companies have every right to secure their system, but once I buy it with my money it is MINE.

April 16, 2011 at 12:47 PM  
Blogger Kreationz said...

To respond to earlier trolls and hopefully educate them some:
@Justus - To which are you referring? The blind Sony fanboys content with a company taking their rights who woke up and realized the truth of the situation? or the mistaken pirates that only supported GeoHot for the wrong reasons and then bashed him until they realized he wasn't on their side and didn't support piracy, but consumer rights?

Also, to wake up implies one must first have been asleep and from the rabid flaming on this subject not unlike your post, they were very much not in a state of "dormancy or inactivity". They were very active and while many of the people on both sides, "woke up" in the sense that their minds have been opened up. How can you claim they were "retarded", from "Slang: Disparaging - a. a mentally retarded person. b. a person who is stupid, obtuse, or ineffective in some way: a hopeless social retard." Many were not "retarded", just unaware. Also, not all 16 and that is a plain fallacy given the facts of the case. I myself am 31, GeoHot - 21, Sony execs - Mostly over 30 and many over 40.

April 16, 2011 at 12:48 PM  
Blogger Kreationz said...

But I will reiterate:
Rather than make arbitrary emotional and unfounded statements. Please learn the meaning of the terminology you use in order to have a productive conversation if you are so capable.

I have contempt for Sony, but not anger as anger servers no purpose.

Now, this is not the end. It is not even the beginning to the end. But it is,
perhaps, the end of the beginning. - Winston Churchill

April 16, 2011 at 1:02 PM  
OpenID 4883df96-684b-11e0-ae0e-000bcdcb8a73 said...

Since ur done with Sony is there any info on a iPad2 JB? Since u haven't teased us with any JB iPad2

April 16, 2011 at 1:02 PM  
Blogger BeGamer said...

@George Hello, George. Congratulations on your settlement. I believe that it must have been a pain in the neck for you and very stressfull. I also love that you're willing to help graf with his legal troubles, you are a kind man. C:

I would like to ask whether you have thought about making an auto-biography, and get your story out there? What were your intentions ever since you started hacking? I would definantly buy it. If you do consider this, may I suggest

April 16, 2011 at 1:03 PM  
Blogger jflores23 said...

Doing a repost since acct didn't show

Since ur done with Sony is there any info on a iPad2 JB? Since u haven't teased us with any JB iPad2

April 16, 2011 at 1:08 PM  
Blogger Night Breed said...

I'd like to formally apologize to you Geohot for everything I have said! I may have dogged the hell out of you but I know when I'm wrong and I apologize for it!

Good on ya to keep your word and donate, but I'm still a bit PO'd about you settling. But all the money is returned so I'll promptly shut the fuck up.

April 16, 2011 at 1:36 PM  
Blogger Xavis75211 said...

the eff can do more then some lawyers ever can. donating to the eff is the best anybody can do to help rights.

thats to the retards who think giving it to graf will do anything. sure it will help him, but nothing will change even if he does win. sony will still be pulling their shit.

April 16, 2011 at 1:50 PM  
Blogger abc11934 said...

@zefie: Probably, but what is the reason for why they want control? I think it is mostly because to prevent piracy, at least when we talk about gaming consoles. Exactly how much damage piracy does is it impossible to messure though, but since both Microsoft, Nintendo and Sony get a lot of their income from software sale, i see why they want to prevent piracy in any way possible.

It is important to keep your excisting customer happy so that they buy more games :) And also to contunie to buy other products of the same brand.

April 16, 2011 at 2:00 PM  
Blogger Harkins1721 said...

@George Hotz

I may not be the brightest kid in the world but man you hacked the Ps3. You may hate Sony but i for one agree with them. Who on earth wants there system to get hacked? Im pretty sure no one. Look what hacking did to the PsP. Sony took action to seal the Ps3 off from becoming like the PsP. I may not know all the details but from what i see is that your wrong. Why should you be able to hack the Ps3? Sony put alot of work into that system for the user/gamers of the world. And your fucking with that? They lost alot of money from the Ps3 and are looking to get it back so why should hacking be legal? For a company that payed a price for making a big budget system?

I hope im not being a creep but id like to know why you think your right on this situation. If so id like to leave an email or something so i can reach you and see what you have to say. I doubt ill check this very much so i probably wont see your reply :/

April 16, 2011 at 2:09 PM  
Blogger abc11934 said...

@Kreationz: I see what you mean with your OtherOS/car example, but i think that the difference is in the software part. I mean, when we buy a piece of software, we then don't own all the rights to it (unless that the owner/maker of the software says so). This goes for pretty much every type of software, like i.e games. When i buy a game, i pretty much only own a license to play it. So when we buy a console, do we own every right to the software on it? If this PS3 hacking was purely hardware based (that only the hardware itself was modified), then i dont think that the DMCA laws could have said much.

It is a pity that OtherOS was removed from the PS3 Phat models, i agree to that. But regarding this PS3 hacking, i belive that many of the same arguements would still be used regardless if OtherOS was removed or not. Especially the arguement of "when i buy something, i have the right to do whatever i want with it". I think that this arguement remains unchanged regardless of OtherOS.

By the way, what you mention about "asking the hacking community for help", do you think this would have worked? Honest question. The PS3 hacking was started after OtherOS was removed from the PS3 Slim models (which didn't affect excisting PS3 owners), so in what way would it helped Sony to ask the hacking community and what would they ask about? Again, honest question. I'm curious about it :)

About getting in dialouge with Sony, i think that it is much more efficient to take this personally instead of over their forums. I'm not exactly sure how this would work though, but i still think this is the better way to go to be sure that official homebrew support will become a reality.

About Sony's income, is that before or after all expences are payed? But regarding it being an investment, it will be the same for both sides as you say, that is true. I just wanted to mention that for the companies there can be bigger figures to lose if their investment doesnt go as they've hoped for. But as i mentioned above here, there is no way to messure exactly how much damage piracy can do.

When i said i was generally speaking, i just ment that what i said wasn't soley directed at Geohot only, i was talking about a similar hacking situation in general, not only about the PS3 hacking :)

April 16, 2011 at 2:22 PM  
Blogger Carlos said...

ay geo your an inspiration to me
just have this last question for you
you think this is coming to an end and no more 3.60 jb?

April 16, 2011 at 2:34 PM  
Blogger xino said...


"It wouldn't surprise me if the people who did PS3 security were fired."

smack talking much!? why should they be fired? no one did not hack the ps3 and it took years to do so, pretty much those guys did a great job. You didn't hack ps3 alone, you got help with Fail0verFl0w to do so. So in the end you couldn't have hacked the ps3 without them, pretty much sums up that those guys did do a great job.

And donating to EFF? wtf would they do? you are merely helping them in their research to give freedom to devices we buy. It's not as if it is 'guarantee' they could work and come up with something that allows for freedom to own a device.

A little of the money could have at least gone to Japan man or other country in need:/

don't forget everyone for Ninja Gaiden 3 at this EEE3 2011! It's gonna be insane!:)

April 16, 2011 at 3:26 PM  
Blogger Shadow said...

More and more games are requiring 3.60 to play. If we dont get a 3.60 CFW soon...then all we are left with is worthless backup managers and emulators. At which point, jailbreaking will be pointless. It was understood that this was supposed to be a "cat and mouse" game between the hacker community and Sony, meaning Sony releases a patch, they counter it, patch, counter, patch, counter, etc... Why then has the community stopped with 3.55 when the authentication to 3.60 has been cracked???

Again, I say...if we can continue to update, at least to play games...then CFW and homebrew on the PS3 is worthless. I may be just one voice, but the more people understand that they cant play their favorite games without updating to 3.60...the more people will rally behind me. If you keep sitting on the solution, how long do you think it will be before people get fed up and turn their backs on the homebrew scene? We could do without PSN. We could even do without PS Home and the PS Store. We can even do without online play....but when we cant even PLAY a game without updating, this is bullshit! It's time for CFW 3.60!!!

April 16, 2011 at 3:37 PM  
Blogger Shadow said...

I was looking forward to playing Portal 2...untill I heard it was 3.60 locked.

how many more games will be 3.60 locked? It's a safe assumption, that most devs will implement this security feature from now on. As more and more games require 3.60 to play...we will undoubtedly need either a 3.60 CFW or an alternate solution. Playing on the dev servers is Sp-nt is not safe, can result in banning and will ultimately piss off the devs. I cant believe Rebug even exploited this. It's a half-assed solution to a much bigger problem. Many say that we dont belong on PSN, but when firmware 3.60 is a requirement to even PLAY a we belong on PSN or not, is irrelevant. At this point CFW 3.60 is no longer needed to access PSN, it is needed to play games. If you are a hacker, and you have the solution to this...then I ask you to please release it.

April 16, 2011 at 3:47 PM  
Blogger dragonslayer33000 said...

PS3 got owned? shame. A man who has talent is crippled by a lack of maturity. I think one day george when you have a job with mouths to feed only then you will understand. I find the lack of empathy on your behalf regarding the thousands of americans and other people employed by sony to make games very sad. It is why you relased your CFW. You didnt care about the negative fallout as long as you got your 15 minutes of fame.

Still you're young. Plenty of time to learn from your mistakes.

April 16, 2011 at 4:13 PM  
Blogger dragonslayer33000 said...

one last thing geroge,

you're comment about those security people who lose their jobs at sony. Perhaps they deserve to lose their jobs. But the decent thing would be not to crow about it. In case you are still wondering, those security employees are also human.

April 16, 2011 at 4:17 PM  
Blogger Kreationz said...

@abc11934 - Sorry, I made a long response to your post but my longer responses seem to mysteriously disappear after I write them.

I'll keep it short and not quote you this time:
What you suggest are good ideas, but they were tried and didn't work and offers of help by the hacking community were made.

@dragonslayer33000 - and Sony didn't care about their millions of customers... (I've already withdrawn and application at a company that develops for Sony over this mess and I do have a family and we feed ourselves quite comfortably. That's is not GeoHot's problem that is the problem of those individuals who chose to work for Sony. Talented people can always find work and I'm sure Geo has had several job offers.)

April 16, 2011 at 4:21 PM  
Blogger Kreationz said...

In Sony's defense though NO corporation truly cares about it's customers, they look at $$$. They HAVE to though, but they also need to take their customers into consideration properly.

April 16, 2011 at 4:23 PM  
Blogger Deep3r said...

Modifying software you bought should be legal but not for piracy!

Homebrew is always just great, that's why I love just buying a Devkit/Debug kit.

April 16, 2011 at 5:03 PM  
Blogger MrChris said...

I cant help but think George basically "took one for the team". Key word here being "Team". "Team" being "The rest of the world". George. For that I Thank You for setting a foundation for everyone else to thrive upon. :) Cant wait to see what comes of the PS3 moving forward. Too bad for me I don't even own a PS3.

April 16, 2011 at 6:05 PM  
Blogger Lollydolly said...

@geohot just wondering if you will ever me hacking any sony produts and if you will make a 3.60 CFW .

April 16, 2011 at 6:34 PM  
OpenID 1539a7ea-687a-11e0-a5c4-000f20980440 said...

I've been following this whole lawsuit thing between you and Sony since it began and no offense or anything cause you seem like a good guy, but I don't fully agree with you hating on Sony. The reason I say this is because I'm all for being able to buy something and hacking it to your hearts content since you did buy it but the reason for the lawsuit doesn't seem to be a malicious one and instead to prevent further incidences of piracy.

April 16, 2011 at 6:37 PM  
Blogger aYth8 said...

Hey Geohot!

No matter what people say, u did amazingly awesome for past few months, i doubt the haters have enugh guts to stand up to Mega Corp. Also good call on the donation, hope u had fun with Paypal
Amazin security lol ;)

Geohot, i am pleadin u on behalf of all iPhone users, plz give us unlock solution for latest iphone BAseband, geevey sim & rebelsim card r pain in ass to use, jus this once please please!!!

Chronic team & Dev team has been a disapointment for all of us, they have been biggest LIARS since past 6months


April 16, 2011 at 6:40 PM  
Blogger Dan Sokol said...


Have you rerad this gem?

Rusty Brains

April 16, 2011 at 6:53 PM  
Blogger abc11934 said...

@Kreationz: No idea why the longer replies keep dissapearing, but no problem keeping it short :) What type of help was offered by the hacking community by the way?

I would also just like to mention one more thing; i think that one of the biggest issues with these types of hacks, especially from the companies point of view, is that there are pretty much no control over these hacks. I mean, once the hacks are out on the internet, there is no way to control who uses them for fair use and who uses them for illegal stuff. I don't think that there are any statistics on this, but i'm willing to bet that in most cases there are a lot more illegal use being done compared to who uses it for fair use only. If there were some type of controls around these hacks, like if they truly only allowed homebrew and no piracy at all, then maybe the companies would have a bit different opinion about these types of hacks.

April 16, 2011 at 6:54 PM  
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April 16, 2011 at 7:02 PM  
Blogger abc11934 said...

I forgot to mention in my previous post, about companies caring about they consumers, i do think that they do this. They are afterall 100% dependent on their consumers, otherwise the comapines would be out of business. So it is important to care and keep the consumers happy. But when a company has millions of users and when there are so many different opinions between the consumers, it is not always easy to make everyone happy, especially if tough decitions has to be made. I don't think that removing OtherOS from the PS3 Phat models was a situation that Sony really wanted to make, but they probably saw it as a necessary thing to do at the time.

But that is just my opinion on it :)

(sorry for the previous delete, i just had to fix something on my previous post and edit didn't work as far as i know).

April 16, 2011 at 7:07 PM  
Blogger decora said...

Blogger abc11934 said...

"but what is the reason for why they want control? I think it is mostly because to prevent piracy"

maybe not. there are some old lawsuits from the 80s some of the console makers against groups that made third party 'catridges' without authorization.... the console company wasn't worried about people 'pirating cartridges', it was worried about control for other reasons. the explanations include

1. quality control. there is a theory that the video game crash of 1983 forced nintendo and other console companies to become very worried about their 'brand' and to not allow creation of garbage like "E.T." for the atari

2. profits. if everyone has to pay you a fee for every cartridge they sell that runs on your machine, then you get lots of profit.

think about profit another way. most people know that many game companies sell the hardware as a 'loss leader' - the hardware cost them more to manufacture than the price that they sell it for. they expect to make their profit back by selling games.

what if they have open, free hardware? then anyone can make a game, without paying them any license fees. that destroys their entire 'loss leader' business model.

just a theory.

good bye to this blog, an interesting beginning to 21st century freedom law.

never let them say that young people do not care about the important things! young people are always reminding us old farts what is important.

April 16, 2011 at 7:08 PM  
Blogger Sethu said...

Man, your awsum!

April 16, 2011 at 7:16 PM  
Blogger abc11934 said...

@decora: That is true what you say, but i don't think that unlicensed games today is really a big issue for the console manufactures. I think that unlicensed games kinda dissapeared back in the Super Nintendo days. I remember many unlicensed games for Nintendo 8-bit, but i hardly remember any unlicensed games for Super Nintendo. I also can't remember any unlicensed games from the PSX/N64 and PS2/GC/Xbox generations eventhough all of these consoles could be hacked or modchipped. Were there any unlicensed games in these console generations? I know about homebrew games, but these have been free as far as i know.

April 16, 2011 at 7:24 PM  
Blogger Racun said...

Hello Hotz, I just want to thank you for all that you have accomplished. People like me are proud of the principles you fought for and it will go down in history as one of the greatest victory against a multimillion dollar corporation. This is also an example of how big the circumstances are one must fight for what his or her believe is the right thing to do. Thanks you Mr. Hotz.

From the Cuban Hacking TEAM

April 16, 2011 at 7:28 PM  
Blogger abc11934 said...

I just remembered that maybe there are some unlicensed (i think?) games for Dreamcast :) But were they sold in the Dreamcast era or at a later time when Dreamcast was off the market? (if the games were unlicensed that is).

April 16, 2011 at 7:29 PM  
Blogger Tony said...

@Kreationz Very, Very well said. I'm 36 and it seems most of the younger kids (15-17) that overpopulate the "scene" tend to talk before they think. It takes a long tirade by an educated member of the forum to usually give them a lesson in what they are actually discussing, but when it happens it enlightens the whole "community". So thank you for that!

April 16, 2011 at 8:24 PM  
Blogger George Hotz said...

@dragonslayer33000 I never intended to disparage the people who did PS3 security, it was pretty good overall. Firing them just seems like a sonyesque move, like when they fired Ken Kutaragi <-- decision is probably why theres no PS4 in the works.

April 16, 2011 at 10:42 PM  
Blogger DarkRyoushii said...

Now that this issue is all dealt with, what is your next challenge? I hear the Motorola Atrix 4G has a pretty locked down bootloader, and I also heard that you wanted to get into Android Hacking next. ;)

April 16, 2011 at 11:32 PM  
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April 17, 2011 at 1:32 AM  
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April 17, 2011 at 1:33 AM  
Blogger Ronny said...

That should help the EFF out for a few days, right? ;)

Very uncool shit you had to go through, George. I followed this case from the very beginning. And although I agree with some finding it 'uncool' you didn't fight to the end, I'm pretty glad it ended (for you). Must've been a stressful time. Maybe you didn't take down the beast. But people only believe in their gods until they see them bleed... And when a multi-billion dollar company can't take down one 21-year-old kid, that's when gods are bleeding. You did great, George. I have great respect for your enormous balls and good knowledge about this stuff (legal and computer science wise). I'm sure, even though you didn't 'win' and Sony didn't 'lose', this case will be reminded by many people and the future _will_ be impacted.

One last question btw (Sony requested for you to not talk about the details of the ending of this case so I'm afraid you can't answer this but I'll try anyway): They invested a lot of money making your life hell, they pulled lots of strings on their connections getting cops, paypal and whatnot to harass you... Did they actually ask you how to fix the vulnerability? Did you help out? Or would you if they had asked? Just wondering ;-)

Have a nice day. Looking forward to seeing your future work.
And feel free to ask for our help again, if the day comes when you need it. I'm sure anybody else agrees when I say that we won't hold back to help you out.

April 17, 2011 at 1:41 AM  
Blogger tylerheartattack said...

I'm suing you.

*The time it takes you to read this later*

Case settled, no real damage.

Can I get my name on your profile?

April 17, 2011 at 2:29 AM  
Blogger tonyuk73 said...

nice work man! that money going to do some good now, and shut all the backstabers right up,bet it was a mind job pressing enter on that transaction OMG $10,0000 OMG!

April 17, 2011 at 3:10 AM  
Blogger zaphod said...

Just because the money went to the EFF doesn't mean that none of it's going to help graf.

It's clear GeoHot settled because Sony won the jurisdictional fishing expedition and he saw the writing on the wall, but it was uncertain enough that he got to make a few demands out of Sony, of which we know maybe two of. (any new isues stay in NJ, and fail0verflow and the other john does get dropped)

April 17, 2011 at 4:20 AM  
Blogger Luis said...

Hi Geohot, any plans to crack the xbox 360 Dashboard?

April 17, 2011 at 6:53 AM  
OpenID seanking177 said...

@George hotz
why not try your hand at the 3DS?

April 17, 2011 at 7:07 AM  
Blogger fuk said...

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April 17, 2011 at 8:45 AM  
Blogger fuk sony said...

helloo GeoHot im love it him more im in all people love it him coz you are big man hacker in world

pls iwana ask him: plzz read me for the Answer:

Some are begining to wonder if the PS3 hacking scene and homebrew is worth it. If GeoHot isnt working on the PS3 anymore...then who is??? I know others out there are still putting out apps and other hacks for the PS3, but noone seems to be working on a 3.60 CFW! We already know Math has cracked it. It's been discovered, exploited and revealed. So where is it?! I dont know if these guys are just scared, intimidated or hiding from the cops...but those holding all the cards, arent lifting a finger. Well let me make this clear to whom it may concern:

You guys claimed that you werent releasing a 3.60 CFW untill there was a NEED for it. Well....we are starting to see games (Portal 2) that are requiring you to have 3.60 firmware to play it. If were all stuck on 3.55...and new games are being released with 3.60...then it dont make much sense to continue this homebrew/hacking scene if we cant play our games!!! I'd do it my damn self if I knew how, but the more games we see that require 3.60 to play...the more youre gonna see people asking for 3.60 CFW. Quit sitting on it and release the damn thing, already. Otherwise, im gonna end up updating back to OFW 3.60 and say it!

do you have the NEW DNS??? plz back the hack sony Hacker to go back and right on Sony's new mask PS3 Custom Firmware 3.60 or 3.56

Work the placebo, and sent the new PS3 Custom Firmware 3.60 or 3.56

plz read me

April 17, 2011 at 8:56 AM  
Blogger tomyi92 said...

you are the Best,, plizz fixx iPhone 4 UNLOCK

April 17, 2011 at 9:37 AM  
Blogger Kreationz said...

@abc11934 - Yes, care about their customers or more specifically their wallets and how much they can get out of it. I have no problem with this, but they devalued my hardware/software with 3.21. Go in to a store and break something, you'll be arrested for vandalism AND theft for devaluing the item. I know this for a fact as I've see it done. Nothing was stolen, but value from the item. They can't sell it for the original price now. I paid a price with an expectation for that price. They already accessed what they wanted, the extra money from my wallet for the extra value they implied. Then after they had that a made a decision to remove that value from newer consoles it was up to the consumer to decide if the new product was worth. I personally think at $400 it is worth it not to have Linux. The slim is a good value, but they also decided to devalue my purchase I already made at the higher price point. If they had said, "Your choices are lose OtherOS and we pay you a $200 rebate for the lost value, or keep it and PSN/Newer and you get nothing I'm fine with that too." I want either payment for what was stolen from me or I want my value back.

Another interesting question.. If I made from scratch(no part of Sony OFW in it) a CFW that allowed all code and even playing of original PS3 titles. By allowing all code it would allow piracy. Now, Sony would be pissed, but could they do anything as I didn't change their code but wrote new code? They would still sue over violating "hardware" TPMs and I never would have touched there code(assuming an install that does not need GameOS to boot...), but would I have done something wrong? I don't believe I would have as it would be like writing a new OS for a PC. A new OS on a PC could do things like ignoring region restrictions of the DVD player(if the DVD firmware was region free, etc...)

The point is the removal of OtherOS was purely about $$$ including, but likely not limited too OtherOS maintenance, fewer security holes to fix, and preventing piracy(there was and element of that to it due to what happen on PSP).

However, a better option would have been to appeal to the hacking community and provide a legitimate path to brew and then we wouldn't be in this mess and I would be buying a PSPGo, likely a PS3 Slim and other Sony products which I will no longer buy out of fear of what they will take away next. Their FUD is working, but in opposite of the way they want it to with me.

April 17, 2011 at 10:10 AM  
Blogger Kreationz said...

To Sony: (I know you look at sites like this)
I have contact with many of the hackers/developers in the scene and you have contact with them as well. You already know how to contact me though my site (The registrar is hidden, but I own the domain). My pseudonym is the same there as it is here. If you want to talk and find a better solution (that won't cost you millions and that both sides will be agreeable with and will make you even more $$$), then contact me. If your only interested in my contacts forget it, but I can relay messages by proxy. However, we can work together and restore both your companies image and reputation as well.

About me: I have never worked on any sort of CFW. I work in the emulation scene as a developer. I do not work in the gaming industry nor do I work as a professional programmer in any industry, but I have worked on code for various companies that have employed me. I do not encourage piracy nor support piracy. I do understand your motivations and I respect them. I also understand the motivations of the hacking community.

kreationz at

April 17, 2011 at 10:52 AM  
Blogger Kreationz said...

@Luis - Why? It has a legitimate homebrew path. XLIG, and they also have taken away anything we've bought and they've continue to give us more.

@seanking177 - Don't know if he plans anything there, but there is no legitimate Homebrew path there AFAIK(If I'm wrong someone let me know, I be interested in make Homebrew for it). So I personally have no issue with it.

@All - You are allowing companies like Sony to trample your rights and go unpunished for it(Theft of value of your items). At the same time millions are trampling their property rights every day(which is also wrong). Piracy isn't going to stop over night nor will it ever go away(some people are just thieves). However, it is time for a shift in the gaming/music/video/entertainment industry. Small changes can make a big difference. We need reconciliation not litigation.

P.S. In regard to my prior appeal to Sony, I'm not making that conditional on anything related to any current litigation matters. I have no specific demands concerning that. I want to help you as much as the brew community.

April 17, 2011 at 11:42 AM  
Blogger DragonIce said...

@Kreationz, do you know of or have a PS2 emulator that doesn't have fps probs? all the ones i find wont play at full speed, it plays at 60FPS at menues but 30FPS durning games, i have the ps2 disks and have the software to rip them to my hard drive, i just cant get it to work right

April 17, 2011 at 12:21 PM  
Blogger Alien Ado said...

I don understand one thing, you hack PS3, but who puts the cods on line ? now wen i go play i have a bunch of guys using all kind of tricks to win.

And i want to know how hackers think about you, in general they don do publicity like you, they only leave a little message to tell, (i cracked you buddy).

answer this questions please.


April 17, 2011 at 12:24 PM  
Blogger abc11934 said...

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April 17, 2011 at 12:58 PM  
Blogger dont read this said...

The first move sony made (removing OtherOS ) was something which started all this mess.

and geohot i appreciate your work on PS3 (and iphone also).

i will also take your side in this fight because sony is trying to play god and they are not dealing with their customers in a good way.


anyone who says sony sucks are saying true but only when they are talking about their way of dealing with consumers.
one person lost a functionality in a machine he bought and when he tries to repair to get it back then company sues to repair his own stuff. does it sounds fair no and the person i am talking about is garf_chokolo.

we all know that PS3 is a very powerful machine and looking at history sony created some products which changed the way we are living (and we want more product and a fair law which will protect our rights because we hate bullies like sony).

geohot also accepted that their products are good (in a television show).

do i sound like a sonys advertiser if i do then think again.

i will also join the sony boycott but for a short period of time till they don't learn how to deal with consumers in a fair way.
and i also request everyone to join sony boycott till they don't learn that if we can make them we can also break them.

April 17, 2011 at 1:05 PM  
Blogger abc11934 said...

@George Hotz: Was it ever confirmed that Ken Kutaragi was fired? I don't deny that it can look suspicious that he quit only some months after the PS3 was released (when the PS3 wasn't selling so good), but i just wonder if it was ever confirmed that he was fired by Sony? I'm just wondering about it :)

@Kreationz: I see what you're saying regarding OtherOS. It is a pity that it was removed, i agree to that. The class action lawsuit regarding OtherOS is still not over as far as i know, so we'll see what the outcome of that will be. That lawsuit is about getting a partial refund back i think?

It's an interesting question what you mention about making a completely new OS yourself. I don't know if it would be possible to get this OS up and running on a PS3 without breaking the security first though. But still an interesting question i think regarding when it comes to being legal or not.

Yes, true what you say about OtherOS regarding costing less and less security holes to fix. I wonder if it would be possible to fix OtherOS so that it couldnt be used for hacking (i've discussed OtherOS much during the last year, but i have never seen an answer to how it was possible to fix it).

I think that is shall be interesting to see what Sony (and other companies as well) will do in the upcoming time regarding allowing homebrew. Sony did try it with OtherOS to begin with, and recently Sony Ericsson has allowed unlocking of the boot loader on some of their cellphones. Maybe we will see more of things like this in the future, but we'll see what happeneds :)

And just a small comment regarding that Microsoft has given more stuff. This is true, but i just wanted to mention that Sony has also done this (besides OtherOS). If we compare the PS3 at launch day to today, there are more features on the PS3 :)

(sorry again for the deleting of my previous comment, i just had to add some extra text to my post that i first forgot to write).

April 17, 2011 at 1:06 PM  
Blogger Kreationz said...

@DargonIce - PCSX2 is currently the best one out. If that is the one you use then, nope nothing better right now.

@Alien Ado - The CoD hacks? I don't know whose responsible, but I personally and I'm sure neither would GeoHot or any other legitimate scene member post hacks to allow cheating online. If you want those hacks stopped contact Activision and Infinity Ward. They are responsible for ensuring you have hack free games and lobbies. Not Sony or GeoHot.

Second, I as well as others have respect for him and his abilities. Some are miffed at his seeking of publicity, but I'm not. The more the word gets out the better chance we stand of a change. Many don't want publicity for one reason or another. With fame, you have to deal with press and others hounding you for interviews etc... and some just don't want the hassle. Some(and I believe these are wrong), don't want it because they believe it is a counterculture, but since when has freedom been against general society's rules. We start wars in the name of it all the time.

April 17, 2011 at 1:18 PM  
Blogger Kreationz said...

@abc11934 - "and recently Sony Ericsson has allowed unlocking of the boot loader on some of their cellphones" With that being legal, did they really have a choice? Like were just trying to stop hackers in that they didn't want a bad hack causing bad PR. With no way legally to stop it, it was still a $$$ decision. Bad PR = less money. This way they kill two issues at once even if they never wanted to in the first place.

And on the 360 subject, but what have they taken away? Yes, I will agree we have been given other things on PS3. Some of which was just catching up to other systems, others they were trying to improve other ideas, others, are likely brand new... I don't know for sure as my PS3 is a Phat and still sitting on 3.15 (But my 360 is updated regularly for Live!)

April 17, 2011 at 1:36 PM  
Blogger abc11934 said...

@Kreationz: I'm not that into cellphone news, so i can't say for sure if official unlocking of the boot loader is common or not, but personally i havnt heard of this before until Sony Ericsson did it with some of their phones. They did have a choice not to do it, afterall it doesnt apply to every Sony Ericsson phones, some of them are still locked down (at least officially, not sure if anyone have hacked the phones yet) even if it is legal to hack cellphones.

I know what you're saying, but i just wanted to mention the boot loader to show that companies might go more in that direction, as in officially allow unlocking of the boot loader for cellphones. If they go this route with cellphones, perhaps something similar will happened with homebrew possibilities as well? :)

About Xbox 360, i didn't mean to say that Microsoft had removed anything, i just wanted to mention that Sony has also added much stuff to the PS3 (eventhough that they removed OtherOS) :) The only think i know that has been removed from the Xbox 360 is the memorycard slots in the newer Slim model. But i don't think that is a big issue for many since USB sticks work instead.

April 17, 2011 at 2:09 PM  
Blogger simone said...

hello GeoHot I know you said you closed with the sony but I know that you are one of the few who would know to create a CFW 3.60 in no time, I know you do not want to go against lawsuits against sony, but you could not create it and maybe post it under a different nickname and an internet point so that no one discovers your identity? .... would you do me happy and more ...

April 17, 2011 at 3:49 PM  
Blogger Kreationz said...

@simone - No, amount of begging is going to get him to do something that will cost him $250,000 minimum and probably more...

April 17, 2011 at 5:17 PM  
Blogger simone said...

@Keationz I know, but if you mail it anonymously even from an internet point so do not you find anyone?

April 17, 2011 at 5:25 PM  
Blogger Lucas said...

@George (about the website message)So by your logic we should avoid Sony who likes to actually use the word: "free" and go with Nintendo that went for 2-3 years of Wii[insert generic name here], and Microsoft charging for an online experience with god awful connections, and Apple? Really? I think you mean: "sue me, and your name can get added here, unless I win."

So now you are going to spit at those that called u mature? Come on, at least support those that believe in you by acting like an adult. Do not be the stereotypical angst-filled adolescent as you have been for the past few months.

April 17, 2011 at 5:53 PM  
Blogger Kreationz said...

@simone - Most non-developers don't understand. Code is like a digital fingerprint. Every coder has certain ways of doing things and that allows code in combination with other things to be traced. I have personally used this method to track down people who wrote different bits of code before along with other methods in combination. No doubt, Sony has even better digital bloodhounds and is wiling to also pay money to use other non-free resources. Any time you get online you leave a digital fingerprint. Remember the blickmaniac/blickmanic thing from the case? They used only the IP and a forum post to try to tie it to Geo (It turned out that it wasn't him, but they got close as it was his neighbor). My IP right now could be traced to a satellite ISP, and that account to my employer, and they would know which of their satellite systems the IP belonged to, and based upon time of day giving them the shift who was using it and it's not even my home IP address.

Even a public Wifi affords little protection. You use a public Wifi then you could go through several proxies (preferably in different countries) use accounts that were newly created(and promptly deleted and never used again) after going through the proxies and then making sure to use an encrypted connection (both across the Wifi to prevent packet sniffing and though the proxies) and even try to do it all as anonymously as possible, but also you would only be able to release a binary(as code is too easily recognizable) and if it had anything it only Geo would know...He'd still get caught. As smart as any hacker is there are those in cyber security who are just as smart(and many know the tricks as they were once hackers themselves). Impossible? Probably not, but worth the risk? Definitely not in his case.

No matter how many locks you put in place an how many combinations you use with enough time and effort and knowledge it can be broken. Criminals get away all the time, but is the chance of being caught and the penalties worth the risk? Also, I believe him to be a man of his word as well, "Nah. As much as I don't respect the goons at Sony, I do respect the court".

April 17, 2011 at 6:08 PM  
Blogger PornoPixel said...

I'm glad all ended well & you were right to donate money to the EEF! Free Web....

April 17, 2011 at 7:06 PM  
Blogger Lucas said...

@PornoPixel I am with you with the idea of a free web, but as the largest scale test in anarchy in history, we are giving WAY to many reasons for the government to use as motivators for the general to public to accept control over the internet. I like how ISP's are starting to step up, especially against piracy, and to me, that will probably be the sole factor that saves the Internet from China-like control.

@Kreationz If George lost in court, which we, especially his lawyers, knew he would have, he would be speaking differently about the courts as well. He has yet to respond to a source of opposition rationally yet, which disappoints me greatly. The lawyers he hired deserve the greatest of respect from his supporters, for if they had not convinced him (the lawyers were advocates for his case, they were not in it for the money, yes, a strange concept, but for once in a life, a true one) to settle, he would have been the reason every American lost what he is advocating for.

April 17, 2011 at 7:22 PM  
Blogger arslion said...

i m wid u geohot :) u did a realy good job

April 17, 2011 at 7:44 PM  
Blogger jarm said...

you could release the limera1n bootrom exploit....

April 17, 2011 at 10:16 PM  
Blogger Luis said...

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April 18, 2011 at 3:47 AM  
Blogger Luis said...

@Kreationz: what do you mean? In XLIG doesnt have the homebrews that are available in other sites of the Xbox scene (that are better).I'm only looking for getting question answered and thats all.

And @seanking177 get a 2i Acekard (allows homebrews, games, videos and to be played
in every NDS and also 3DS)

April 18, 2011 at 3:58 AM  
Blogger simone said...

I think geohot should not give up the war against sony .... I know that he is afraid even to legal problems, etc. ... but a true hacker does not give up so and continues to fight ...... so I think if he is a real hacker would otherwise continue to show that Sony is right ....

April 18, 2011 at 9:11 AM  
Blogger Kreationz said...

Long comments still getting removed, I'll try again and break up the message:
@Lucas - My point is a legitimate path to homebrew = inexpensive indie(hobbyist) development(Best examples are Droid and iPhone, but we're talking consoles). I believe in a manufacturer's right to control what's on their system to prevent, bugs, piracy, cheating, malicious code, etc... Games/Software(it doesn't have to be a game, nothing specifically excludes productivity apps) can be developed and published for the XBOX 360 by an individual for a grand total cost (not including taxes) of $59(Live!) + $99(XNA CCO, only needed to publish) + $249(Retail 360 w/HardDrive) + Free(XNA SDK) + Free(Visual C# Express) = Indie development and Publishing for $407 + Taxes for XBOX 360 & Windows Phone & PC. You average 360 user has two of those already(I know I do and already working on a yet to be announced indie title myself for 360's XLIG/Win7 Phone/Droid/PC/possibly iOS and all total costing under $1k, I'd love to be able to add PS3/PSP/NGP PSN to the list, but without spending thousands and signing a heavily restrictive NDA, I can't).

(Note: To Sony's credit PS Suite is supposed to eventually be something similar, but is only for developing on PS Suite enabled Android phones and NGP, but no word on pricing or licensing, or required hardware, etc... and may only be available like their SDK's to established developers or indies will to put up a few thousand $$$ which would exclude most hobbyist brew devs.)

April 18, 2011 at 10:02 AM  
Blogger Kreationz said...

About your comments to PornoPixel:
I agree self-policing by ISP's is a better way to go than government control on this one, but we are likely headed the other way as ISP's do less(while trying to show they are doing more). They do not alienate part of their subscriber base(and have customers switch to other ISPs) and only do a minimum in order to meet content providers/government requests. They are also starting to fight subpenas as well do to the cost of producing many times overly broad information.

I have no problem with protecting your customers(banning cheaters), protecting your hardware(preventing piracy/viruses/bugs through DRM, etc.. and adding some limitations on content to protect the rest of your consumers(you wouldn't want online hacks for games for sale on PSN/XBL would you?). There just needs to be a legitimate way(not costing thousands or near impossible requirements for an individual) to get indie/hobbyist software on it.

Something along the lines of XLIG/XNA from Sony = Step 1, but more can be done(and I have ideas on that as well which would be profitable for Sony). You want the PS3 to go beyond game console/media center? Yeah, I have "an app for that" as do many thousands of others. To bad your more interested in litigation rather than reconciliation and actually fixing the root problems.

@simone - Before continuing, I suggest you go learn to code for yourself. I'm sorry your CFW won't play the latest games. It's not GeoHot's job to fix it. "If you want it done right, do it yourself." Either bend to Sony and update, or join the OtherOS lawsuit or go ask Sony nicely to allow homebrew and see how far you can get.

April 18, 2011 at 10:03 AM  
Blogger Fiohnel said...

Comments tl;dr

Nice one Geohot. It's cool to find out where my donation really go in the end. I just hope you won't forget about graf chokolo. It leaves a bitter taste to know that Sony might throw their frustration on him after the dealing with you.

April 18, 2011 at 12:22 PM  
Blogger Joseph said...

Will we see a Jailbreak for iPad 2 ?
It seems No One Can Jailbreak it From Muscle Nerd, Comex Or P0sixninja.
Can you show them how it is Done !!!

April 18, 2011 at 1:10 PM  
Blogger Lollydolly said...

@geohot just wondering if you will ever me hacking any sony produts and if you will make a 3.60 CFW

April 18, 2011 at 2:54 PM  
Blogger Kreationz said...

@Lollydolly & All asking about GeoHot hacking Sony stuff - Please take the time to read before posting.

"Nah. As much as I don't respect the goons at Sony, I do respect the court." - GeoHot

April 18, 2011 at 7:14 PM  
Blogger garrettblodgett said...

geohots not going to answer this :(

April 19, 2011 at 12:41 AM  
Blogger Max said...

Hey geohot, earlier this year you got a WP7 device. Do you still have plans about cracking it?

April 19, 2011 at 2:17 AM  
Blogger Artun Akalin said...

may you can UNLOCk the iphone bb2.10 etc

April 19, 2011 at 2:54 AM  
Blogger 852derek852 said...

God bless you man. When I first heard about this case I decided to sign up as an EFF monthly contributor.

It makes me sick that whenever companies like Sony decide they want to make an example out of someone, they can have a team of lawyers come up with an obviously bullshit case, and then force that person to choose between financial ruin or an out of court settlement. They win by virtue of the fact that they have a bottomless pit of money to throw at the case and you don't.

Thank god we have police or they would be sending thugs out to break people's kneecaps. Rest assured, I will never buy a Sony product.

April 19, 2011 at 5:45 AM  
Blogger shentino said...

It's a shame Sony made you cave.

I am curious though.

If asked to do so, would you be willing and or able to serve as an expert witness, either in the OtherOS lawsuit, or if Sony were to fire legal papers against another hacker?

April 19, 2011 at 7:28 AM  
Blogger Robert Cervantes said...

Geo, the people over in WebOS land would love to see your talents in action. In fact, the developer community and HP/Palm have an awesome relationship that mutually benefits one another. It has been probably the best and biggest example of hacker/company relationship. The people at Palm will listen to you finding stuff in their code.

April 19, 2011 at 7:51 AM  
Blogger Maxwell said...

Geohotz, I have mad respect for you. Keep fighting the good fight. We love you.

April 19, 2011 at 8:17 AM  
OpenID Ric said...

Whats great about this Geo is you cost Sony untold millions in lost sales for all the regular customers like me who will no longer buy Sony products because of their heavy handed attitude. DRM + Bullying = Lost sales

April 19, 2011 at 12:19 PM  
Blogger Brian said...

yo geohot have you heard the ps3 song


April 19, 2011 at 10:22 PM  
Blogger Angel said...

George wtf is going on can you atleast show up, do something, say something, write another song, do, but just do. Are you out of the jailbreak scene ("IDevice" related) this fagots the iphone dev team and the chronic bread thing are getting on everyones never hyou dont care but you did and you PWND them with the limera1n why not again. You just dont care you dont even read these coments at all. Where is the smart alek george show up like the old days its not like the movies showing up by surprice show up when ppl need you you are smarter than a whole iphone or chronic team just show some light give these twat devs a lesson or two but just please do man just discharge all your anger at apple and jailbreak the livin humanity out-a steve one more time you did with 4.0 in less than a day ....

April 20, 2011 at 12:21 AM  
Blogger Shadow said...

Did George Hotz settle for a movie deal with Sony....a biography about his life? Here's the link, you decide. WTF is this?

April 20, 2011 at 12:54 AM  
Blogger zaphod said...

Ummm... i'm not sure what to say about this one...

April 20, 2011 at 2:18 AM  
Blogger George Hotz said...

@Brian haha, i loled

@Shadow Yes, and I made them promise I'd be played by Justin Timberlake, they were pushing for Elijah Wood.

April 20, 2011 at 4:11 AM  
Blogger rgbell4579 said...

I personally think everyone who is pissed about how you settled should sue for you taking their money under false pretenses. When you accepted the donations for your legal fund and said it would be used against Sony you made a statement that went to the use of donations. By settling you directly violated what you said and thus the money becomes fraudulently received. You don't just get to decide to donate it. You have little to no understanding of how the laws work and one day this is gonna cause you a lot of trouble.

Personally this shows how immature you are. Also the EFF didn't back you this time because your a risk. Give up dreams of working in the tech industry, your history has destroyed any chance you'll ever have.

also to those who care.....

the terms of geohotz settlement, he got nothing of which he claimed

April 20, 2011 at 6:17 AM  
Blogger lazarorodriguez72 said...

Guys!!! Go to !!!!! He has a new iPhone jailbreak I just type that adress in out of curiosity!!!! He has a new jailbreak!!!

April 20, 2011 at 10:19 AM  
Blogger ThePirateKid said...

Hey george can I contact you rregarding a little error or something on the iPhone 4 which may make an unlock possible just would like your input cause itz very theorerical and mayb u could help with the intricate stuff.

Thx man u rock

April 20, 2011 at 10:56 AM  
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April 20, 2011 at 12:09 PM  
Blogger shentino said...

This is starting to get weird...

April 20, 2011 at 5:21 PM  
Blogger shentino said...

Geohot, I hope you get big bucks for your movie rights. I'm talking around 6 figures, or at least a double digit percentage of gross sales or something. Don't let them take you for a ride (again?).

Get enough for you to have fun, plus a decent chunk maybe to donate to someone who needs it.

April 20, 2011 at 8:05 PM  
Blogger Icestar said...

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April 20, 2011 at 8:22 PM  
Blogger Maradona said...

Why dont you try your hand at 3DS? A jailbreak for it?

Homebrew cards only works in DS mode and to those who say that if theres will be a homebrew card someday for 3DS (in 3 years), Ill say:
we shouldn't be required to buy spoon feed another company with 60 dollars (when it first comes out) to unlock our consoles.

April 21, 2011 at 12:53 AM  
Blogger Michal Sinu said...

GeoHot can you make a downgrade from 3.60 to 3.55? Like a month a go i found a site and it said they have the 3.60 jailbreak so i downloaded it there was surveys and then i installed the jailbreak but it wasn't jailbreak it was official Sony 3.60 firmware :( so can you just make a downgrade and secretly post it here and delete it when everyone got it ???? ? PLZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Ill give you $100,000,000 < xD JOKE

April 21, 2011 at 5:41 AM  
Blogger reddotkush said...

geohot why are you so fuking disrespectful kids donated money for you to relrease another jailbreak not for the 3.55 no one is even on 3.55 anymore

April 21, 2011 at 9:13 AM  
Blogger Jesse said...

Interested in hacking the 3DS?

April 21, 2011 at 10:13 AM  
Blogger Ryan said...

what the fuck? I can't play my ps3 online because of this ruckus your ass started up. Call off your fucking anon lackey chumps so we can resume videogames.

April 21, 2011 at 10:59 AM  
Blogger Icestar said...

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April 21, 2011 at 11:13 AM  
Blogger DragonIce said...

@Icestar, yes there has, how ever, the number of ppl was ALOT lower, once he released his "jail break", COD almost became unplayable, every one says he isn't responsible, how ever, you cant refute the fact his JB only made it alot easyer and it took the f**k off

April 21, 2011 at 12:19 PM  
Blogger ThePirateKid said...

@George Hotz Justin Timberlake he's no look alike to you whatta bout recuiting one of these guys I found on a website, they look like you.

Lol I laughed at how similar u looked like them... And my personal choice for a look a like Charlie Pickering, hehe :p

April 21, 2011 at 3:25 PM  
Blogger Steve said...

Geo, please for the love of god take a crack at the iPad 2!
The dev tem and chronic dev guys just can't figure it out,
My iPad 2 feels only half alive ):

April 21, 2011 at 6:32 PM  
Blogger Kreationz said...

@DragonIce - Just as gun powder made it easier to kill people. He's not responsible for the misuse of the information he provided. Just as (insert company name here) can't be held accountable for the misuse of their products.

April 21, 2011 at 7:23 PM  
Blogger seahawksmvp07 said...

wtf bro, Fuck sony for doing what they did, but you also say that you're not intending to hurt the customers in any way, well inconvenience, and I'm speaking for millions of people, you do realized that. There ANY possible way to get Ps3 back up, it's my birthday tomorrow, and I just got Socom 4 today, and I can't play it, Geo, you CAN allow PSN to be up, I know that, but wtf, screw Sony for that, but you too a bit for the inconvenience bro..

April 21, 2011 at 8:16 PM  
Blogger James said...

So Geo, would you consider what you do a hobby?
If so, do you plan on taking it elsewhere? You seem to be pretty talented, and it'd be a waste to have your skillz0rs just.. poof.

April 21, 2011 at 9:46 PM  
Blogger FxChiP said...

@seahawksmvp07 If PSN is down, it's definitely not geohot's fault; he's not allowed to touch that stuff anymore and I doubt he's dumb enough to race the train, so to speak. Maybe Sony just needs better network architecture.

April 21, 2011 at 11:49 PM  
Blogger DragonIce said...

@Kreationz, if he was smarter and realized that his JB would not be used for the most part just to play hb but to cheat, he would have wrote the JB program dif just to enable OtherOS with full access to the RSX GPU, but he dint, he fucked up and made cheating and piracy 10000% easyer

April 22, 2011 at 2:39 AM  
Blogger shentino said...

Why did you cave man?

You let Sony get everything they wanted in the lawsuit, which is to shut you up and make you a warning to other would be hackers that would dare challenge Sony's sovereingty over stuff WE BOUGHT AND PAID FOR.

That said, I don't envy your position of being one man against a juggernaut.

Everyone watching, take heed and STAND TOGETHER. Hotz gave it all he had but against a powerful foe, one man clearly can't get the job done. I don't have any standing to do that declaratory judgement thingy since I don't have any applicable hardware in my possession, but hopefully someone else does.

Together we can make a big difference.

April 22, 2011 at 4:38 AM  
Blogger Abdulla Saif said...

Is it true that u'll work for sony .. against us !!?? we had u now we had u and sony vs us !!???

April 22, 2011 at 10:50 AM  
Blogger ultimatedood said...

it isn't geohot's fault for psn being down.
a group of people in an irc room called anonops ( ) are DDoSing the psn.

April 22, 2011 at 11:04 AM  
Blogger Kreationz said...

@DragonIce - and no one would have modified his code to let them cheat/pirate... (insert sarcasm)

April 22, 2011 at 6:17 PM  
Blogger DragonIce said...

@kreationz, it have been alot harder and i would have been on his side, the system keys was to much for him to give out since ppl in general cant handle that power (hence the piracy and cheating that went from far an

April 22, 2011 at 8:50 PM  
Blogger DragonIce said...

few to almost every match)

April 22, 2011 at 8:51 PM  
Blogger edbonnette said...


April 23, 2011 at 12:59 AM  
Blogger Daniel said...

Who gives a shit about custom firmware, geohot, or any other stupid shit. You all sound like toddlers that didn't get the toy they want. You knew exactly what you were getting with the PS3; a video game console that can play movies and music. Boycott Sony all you want, it's a great way to take out the trash.

April 23, 2011 at 12:40 PM  
Blogger Ridhi Web Expert said...

In a car crash, does the seat belt have to be buckled for the airbag to deploy?

Silver MLM

April 23, 2011 at 1:19 PM  
Blogger Steve said...

@ Daniel, well without all the " trash" sony and the Ps3 would only be left with a bunch of self important douchebags like your self. If your so opposed to the idea of people controlling the content on hardware that they own, then get the hell out of here troll.

April 23, 2011 at 8:45 PM  

I know this is easier said than done but maybe someone should take this whole thing a step further. What about making a console for the community, by the community? A whole open source console per say? Can it be done and marketed? Cause if so that would be pretty cool. I'd buy it.

April 23, 2011 at 9:48 PM  

And I'm not talking the Pandora or the Uzebox either. I'm talking something that can be on par with what the big companies are belting out.

April 23, 2011 at 9:51 PM  
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April 23, 2011 at 11:22 PM  
Blogger Jaymal1988 said...

As a PS3 owner and gamer.. I'm disappointed that this has happened.. @MADJOHNWUNGRICE an open-sourced console would be pretty interesting.. Kinda like the Android OS.. I would by as well... @Geohot.. you're pretty knowledgeable with consoles and programming.. I'm sure you could round up some more people and put it together.. You could def. make money off it.

April 23, 2011 at 11:32 PM  
Blogger Henry said...

for an open source console (well handheld) check out openpandora

April 24, 2011 at 3:28 AM  
Blogger Faytxix said...

You see what anonymous is doing? Psn has been out since sunday They have done more than what you did, you gave up the fight.

April 24, 2011 at 3:57 AM  

@Faytxix - Why fight Sony in that way though. Why try to force them to accept things the way we want them. This is why I bring up an open source home console (not handheld). It could be a home console for the people, by the people. A console we could do whatever we want with. This could be something George could be doing and this could be VERY effective against Sony. Also it has the other benefit of giving everyone what they want.

@Henry - Open Pandora and Uzebox are good starts. But we need more than that. A console that can be even more effective.

@Jaymal - I'm with ya. The minute it happens we could all be united in this and never have to bend to another huge console company's will again.

April 24, 2011 at 10:22 AM  

Think about this guys for a minute. Do you really like paying $60 - $90 for a game? Do you like having to find ways around console programming to use apps and software that you want to use? Do you hate having to get a huge desktop PC with all odd things to have a console gaming experience? I mean a homebrew console (code name liberation) would be a genius move right now.

This is the start of it:

A console as powerful as an NES/SNES. But why not go further? Why hack consoles, I Phones, , when you could put together your own hardware with a purpose. Take out the middleman. The middleman sucks any ways. We could have a direct bond between game developers and the gaming community. That's the beauty of this.

April 24, 2011 at 10:40 AM  

An idea I had was to take a mini PC, and turn that into a Gaming Console somehow. Maybe software and bios wise structure it to be a unit where the minute you turn it on, there is a program comparable to Steam right in front of your face, where you can download as many homebrew apps for free. I dunno if this can be done, but its a rather cool concept I think. No going out to buy games. Just download everything onto the console's hard drive.

April 24, 2011 at 1:49 PM  
Blogger Joseph said...

@George - Come back to Apple products!

April 24, 2011 at 7:44 PM  
Blogger Nathan said...

@George Hotz - I was recently looking in the news about Windows Phone 7 jailbreaks, and saw in an article a couple months old that you had an interest in jailbreaking it. Do you still have that interest? If so, I back you 100%. The WP7 community needs a talented person such as yourself to really bring it to life in terms of usability. The NoDo update simply didn't take care of business.

As a WP7 user, I took the risk like many others and jumped into an unknown market that had yet to flourish. I think you understand that Microsoft is much more willing to listen than shitty Sony, seeing as they offered you a phone to toy with. I hope you read this and let me know your current thoughts on the situation, as I know that you can work wonders in the handheld market, and wish to see your work applied to it.

I look forward to your reply.

April 24, 2011 at 9:35 PM  

What do you guys think of Chrome OS? I actually tried Chromium on my Desktop PC and it didn't work for anything. I couldn't get the video card going or sound or the webcam. Nothing. Has anyone else tried it out and had better luck? I only ask cause I saw someone mention android.

April 24, 2011 at 11:01 PM  

Oh yeah and George you do what you want. You don't have to take on anything after all you've done. You can just as easily hit up a beach and relax with your feet in the sand. Honestly, because life is too short to devote your life to stuff like this all day every day. You're young. Enjoy your life. Do what makes you happy.

April 24, 2011 at 11:10 PM  
Blogger radioactivo said...



April 25, 2011 at 7:25 AM  
Blogger Lloydw88 said...

@geo, dude u remind me of what Larry flynt went through. Why is it just you that stands up for others freedoms then they talk shit? Your a smart dude, I love my ps3, in fact I didn't even know the network was down till a friend of mine told me today. I been at my girls house the whole last week. I'm actually writtimg rhis from my iPhone, which I jailbroke with blackrain. I haven't updated cause I wasn't sure if there was a new jailbreak for the phone. I didn't even know the ps3 could be jailbroken. What do u get when your jailbreak the ps3? Free games? Add-ons? Anyway dude, I just thought I would put my 2 cents in. Your doing a good job dude. I see that u have a lot of haterz, you wouldn't b doing something right if u didn't have haterz. Fuck those clowns at Sony and Fuck your haterz to. Geo rules bitches!!! By the way, names Lloyd dude. peace bro.

April 26, 2011 at 1:43 AM  
Blogger shentino said...

PSN is down.

I am laughing my ass off right now.

April 26, 2011 at 10:43 AM  
Blogger sixteen64 said...

psn has been down for about a week, my infos, ie:address, password, email etc and possibly cc info has been rinsed, ps3 is my only way to game as my pc is pants, yet im still laughing my arse off too.

Straight up, props to whoever pulled that off, its worth the hassle of having to cancel my card and change my passwords to see sony suffer and look like stupid monkeys that they are :)

April 26, 2011 at 8:00 PM  
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April 26, 2011 at 8:26 PM  
Blogger evvilmonkey said...

hey george, youve been silent for 10 days now, i look towards your next post=P

April 26, 2011 at 9:25 PM  
Blogger shentino said...

I just hope they don't try to blame Geohot and his jailbreak for this.

April 26, 2011 at 9:28 PM  
OpenID 24f6ebbe-70d3-11e0-b94d-000bcdcb5194 said...

All this shit is HIS fault for sharing confidential information with unreliable sources on the Internet.

I hope Sony brings a new summons to your doorstep.

April 27, 2011 at 9:35 AM  
Blogger Mike said...

@24.......... Just looking to start trouble-get a life.
Hackers have been stealing personal data for many years with trojan's.
Its nobody's fault except the internet openness and lowlifes.

April 27, 2011 at 10:29 AM  
Blogger Bill said...

Its sad the idiots are still blaming Geohot for this.
If I could steal people's Steam credit card numbers using a modified steam client would they blame Valve or some guy that originally reverse engineered the client for fun?

April 27, 2011 at 10:35 AM  
Blogger Jaymal1988 said...

Any hacker with any sort of knowledge and talent could have done this.. Geohot was just used as an example.. Now anything in the upcoming future that has to do with hacking or identity fraud relating to gaming will be blamed on him.. Sad considering he had nothing to do with recent events.

April 27, 2011 at 10:42 AM  
Blogger ObiDan said...

This has got to be hurting sony big time. Corporate wars. Chapter 1. You remember syndicate wars the playstation game? It was a good game ;)

If corporations were still tied to/had loyalty towards nations in any way, i would say the japanese people would well be feeling the pinch at the moment. Perhaps then its just as well corps use foreign banking measures on insignificant islands around the world to evade corporation tax. Its probably also just as well that job recruitment agencies have been introduced on such a large scale, as it means no rights for the worker (hired/fired 1 days notice mandatory) and minimum wage, leaving potential employees with no rights and no stable job, and allowing a corp to up-roots and relocate to a geographical location in the world where it is sunnier, theres pleasant beaches and nice golf courses handy, (and also its cheaper to pay employees ;).

I would say though a breif analysis would suggest in a large scale corporate attack, like this, one must ponder who is to gain, rather than who is to lose, for there will usually be the motive. This suggests the beginnings of large scale corporate espionage. If you hate all corps, then all must be brought down at once. No ifs, buts or maybe's about it. Otherwise another corp will fill the power vacuum left by one that has toppled.

I suggest those who go by the name anonymous fully realise they are like a bull without a head, a gatling gun spewing bullets, whichever way it is pointed. So who decides which way to point the gun? And what are in the interests of that person to do so.....

Wooo im anonymous and today im going to attack sony because sony are bad because they took a dude to court but let him off with a slap on the wrists. Now because of that, i speak for anonymous (and keep quiet about working for microsoft) and say lets all attack sony corp!!! woooo.

Come on dudes if anonymous are intelligent people like they profess to be, surely you will realise when a force such as anonymous could be exploited or manipulated for ulterior reasons?

I am no corporate soldier.

I am homeless in fact. Such is my distaste for the way corps operate.

But i don't mind.

"I thought what i'd do was, i'd pretend i was one of those deaf mutes.......or should i?"

April 27, 2011 at 11:45 AM  
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