SCEA vs Hotz
posted by George Hotz at
So you settled according to Sony. Did you live up to this?"What if SCEA tries to settle?Lets just say, I want the settlement terms to include OtherOS on all PS3s and an apology on the PlayStation blog for ever removing it. It'd be good PR for Sony too, lord knows they could use it. I'm also willing to accept a trade, a legit path to homebrew for knowledge of how to stop new firmwares from being decrypted."Doesn't sound like it.
You have my support.Since release of OFW 3.21 I never bought any Sony product again.F you, Sony.
@MX The terms of the settlement agreement are "confidential" and the matter requires that they be "confidential".
What happened? PM, if you need to please.I'm BRICK, I donated $500 towards your cause.Please tell me all's well, and we're getting back our OtherOS?
I will address the donations in a forthcoming post, and I think people will be happy.@BricksLamp The terms of the settlement agreement are "confidential" and the matter requires that they be "confidential".
A lot of people who donated because they thought you were going to take this as far as you could to further fair use & consumer rights will be disappointed.. Why did you settle? (not asking about the terms of the settlement but the grounds for it)
@Paul By contract, I cannot discuss the Action or my views regarding the Action.
By the way, I'm a bit surprised at the comment that "the terms of the settlement agreement are 'confidential'". Sony posted on their blog that you agreed to a permanent injunction, surely that qualifies as "terms of the settlement"..?
I know, I caught that. It was posted as I was typing...Any way I look at it, I don't mind. It wasn't a waste.The DAY the PS4 comes out, I'm picking one up JUST to attempt what you started with the PS3. Freedom. I stood idly by for this one, because I'm not the best at hacking consoles, but now Sony has garnered my attention with this. I'll make it a personal goal for PS4 w/CFW if I can.
@Paul I am bound by a permanent injunction.
Sounds like a win for Sony. Now they get no court case to prove their actions wrong. No court case, no case law, no reason to keep Sony from acting like this again.Of course, you can't talk about it, so we will never know.Sure, it's nice that it's over and people can move on with their lives... but I just think people expected a bit more of a fight than this.Hopefully you lived up to your aggressive postings on geohot.com.Best wishes
How should we read "There is much more to come on this blog" then..?
PS4 Boycott will be upheld by those with proper knowledge. As you all may know Sony will be feeling the repercussions of their decision to litigate for years to come. They have tried to hire advanced independent employees only to have them reject the offer letters because of Geohot. Thank you for trying to challenge the Beast, geo, but in present day reality Goliath usually wins.
@BricksLamp It definitely was not a waste, I assure you.Allow me to quote The Social Network:Sean Parker: I brought down the record companies with Napster.Eduardo Saverin: Uh, sorry. You didn't bring down the record companies. They won.Sean Parker: In court?Eduardo Saverin: Yeah.Sean Parker: Do you want to buy a Tower Records, Eduardo?
But in the end, we don't exactly know if jailbreaking a PS3 is legal or not (within the US at least).
@Paul I have many things to talk about, like my dog, chickens, and how it's very bad to use your hardware in a way the manufacturer didn't intend.
I wish you were right. However, the record companies are still here. Their influence on government across the globe is as real as it was a decade ago. I don't see Sony going anywhere either and the next guy who hacks their hardware will probably face the same legal pressures you did.
@George Hotz, so basically you settled for a job and took people's money giving them a false hope of settling for their rights? What do you plan to do with the money that was donated to you to provide a cushion for the legal battle? I hope you will be paying all those people back since you obviously didn't live up to your word. At least from the vague details you are giving out, it sounds like you got a job and fucked the scene in the process. After all terms of a settlement usually don't remain confidential unless one or both of the parties are go under a contract. Your on a permanent injucnction but I doubt you would keep quite just for that. From the news it sounds like you are happy about this, so I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you got a full time or part time job with Sony. I mean hell we all know Sony will never allow official homebrew on the platform, and we all know piracy doesn't have a goddamn thing to do with the lawsuit. That's just Sony's excuse to justify it. I hope your satisfied, I'm looking forward to hearing an announcement of you refunding every single person's donation because you obviously didn't keep up to your end of the bargain.
@George HotzThat makes me feel a lot better... and those repercussions have already been seen to a small degree...It just dawned on me... I think I may have an idea on the settlement... >.>
U mad bro?
Hotz I paid because I thought you were fighting our fight, not just to save your own ass. Its ok it was only £10 but I feel cheated and I feel that you misrepresented yourself in your appeal. Factually thats fraud. I'm kinda putting you and Sony in the same boat now, you know false advertising , getting people to pay for a feature and removing it....etc....Anyway thanks for your efforts and good luck and anytime you feel like repaying my £10 feel free, and just for the record I never used your hack I just paid because of what i THOUGHT you were standing for.....
@George Hotz, who said " I have many things to talk about, like my dog, chickens, and how it's very bad to use your hardware in a way the manufacturer didn't intend."Please tell me your bloody trolling. You went from diehard anti Sony who is the freedom protector to a swiveling bitch which bows down? JESUS CHRIST. Way to sell out.
@Night Breed OMG it's a joke. Relax.@CheeseBiscuit I am fighting your fight, in the best way I know how. You'll just have to trust me.
@CheeseBiscuit and Night BreedYa'll stop flaming him... if I'm right, there's a lot more than the surface shows...I risked the most... but I feel better than most... why is that? I'm not rich, there's just more return than what's showing at this time...Am I right, Geo? :)
While it sounds bad for this to end this way, you don't know the details so don't complain @geohot just yet. He also said something about donators being made happy.Give things time to settle down and wait and see what happens before we form an angry mob. ;)
Do you know or can you tell if the settlement also includes the failoverfl0w group? Will SCEA keep suing them?
Sir, I am not asking for you to say anything you can't legally say but, this is concerning, I will take you at your word for now. http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/07/feds-ok-iphone-jailbreaking/ I would think this would be a workable precedence.
A lot of people will probably criticize George over donations and "losing" in court, but until we hear the terms of the settlement, I don't think you can justify your "hate" against him. He fought for something much bigger than himself, and I feel sorry for people who don't realize it."I believe in Karma. If the good is sown, the good is collected. When positive things are made, that returns well." ~ Yannick NoahThe seeds of victory have been sown; wait for them to grow and blossom.
I am disappointed to see these proceedings end this way. I was hoping this case would thoroughly confront the notion that a manufacturer can dictates terms of hardware usage to the consumer, and it appears that issue will have to wait.Why is Apple not going after hackers in the same way? Isn't this a similar issue?
@Rafa I am not allowed by the terms of the settlement agreement to discuss the Action(lawsuit)
All he wanted to do was close the case and end the argument. This case will affect sony bigger than they expect , in long term mostly, he tried, give him a break.
@braindef I think Apple actually likes their customers.Unlike certain other companieshttp://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=sony_bullshit
Geohot is a fraud and he always has been. Do a dispute on all the paypal donations to teach him a lesson. You owe people an explanations to what was settled as they paid to help you thinking you were fight for their right of the OS.Your nothing but a fraud and you have done nothing for the PS3 but cost us our other OS feature. I hope annoymous attacts your sites.
wikileaks will get what happened.
@webmaster Its a donation. he did not ask for it you gave it at will
Your all idiots if you thought donating money to Geohot would help in any way, can't believe you all fell for it.
I'm not sure why all you are considering this settlement as loss. My personal opinion is that this was a small vitory.Go on Geo. Good job.
the donation money wasn't to win the case, but to help it.
At any rate Geo, thanks for your efforts in trying to protect our rights and freedoms at your expense.
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@George HotzDamm! I was hoping you would 'jailbreak' the NGP/PSP 2!!!Please change your mind!
lol i bet 99% of you never used linux
you can still dispute the paypal transaction. he is not a registered charity so you can file a paypal dispute.I hope he is claiming the money for the donations on his tax return for 2011.That's considered earned moeny even if people give it too you. IRS will be sure to make him pay it on his taxes. We might see him fighting the IRS next year.
Will the terms of the settlement ever be made public?If not, will there be another announcement of any kind that will show people in any way that they were right to trust you to fight their fight?
alright dude, Im going to go with you on this one, good luck. It was tough I guess you did what you had to do.
I think everyone needs to stop speculating and commenting until after his follow-up post. Also, to those posting about the donations: regardless of the outcome, it was worth the money to keep him from being a martyr for all the pirates he didn't endorse to begin with. People too quickly forget everything he has done for the hacking scene to begin with and the fact that he has never hid behind anonymity. George, to you I say thanks.
Hi will I just through my PS3 out my window.
@webmaster GeoHot isn't a fraud I do not speak for Anonymous, but I know Anonymous will harbor no ill will against him. Nice try at #FAILing.
@Paul The terms of the settlement agreement are "confidential"I will attempt to clarify this further in upcoming posts. But if it isn't already clarified by the work I've done on the iPhone, I'm not sure how much more I can convince you.
It is completely obvious that sony did not win here.They aren't the type to settle if they can win all the way.He is most likely joining the sony boycott because he's already been enjoined from possessing sony hardware.I suspect the answer will be apparent with the next firmware update.
He can't touch anything sony manufactures or he will be back in court and this would be no him fighting sony it would be sony sueing his ass for breaking the agreement.I bet you they paid him off in the settlement. Things just got settled like that so quick. Geohot is fraud and all you geohot supporters are a bunch of losers like him.What has he done for the Scene? Tell me? He caused the loss of the other os? If thats a victory your all a bunch of fools. One good thing about the settlement is we won't have to hear about geohots sorry ass again. RIP Geohot.
Geohot is a fraud and he always has been. Do a dispute on all the paypal donations to teach him a lesson. You owe people an explanations to what was settled as they paid to help you thinking you were fight for their right of the OS.
@geohot I am sure there will be a really good explanation on what happened and why it happened. Sony wants to keep it quiet because any settlement offered to them by you will probably be stolen and made to look as if it were their idea. "Sony we steal while others innovate." Douche bags couldn't find their way out of a 2' x 2' room with 3 windows and a door.
Come back to the iOS/iPhone scene where we all loved you!!!!!!!! We need a 4.3.1 iPad 2 jailbreak!
Geohot's aim for the case was to suit both sides of the argument and if possible win. He tried and thats all that matters. he is not a fraud either as you DONATED to him. It was your choice, so leave him alone?
My turn to step up to the plate...I just made a call to get my PHAT PS3 shipped to me...Let's see how far a get with my laptop, a soldering iron, and the internet...
I thought with "fighting your fight" you were referring to the legal fight to deem rooting consumer devices as fair use.Obviously I recognise what you've done within the iOS scene giving users the means to acquire this right in a practical sense themselves. Good to know we haven't seen the last of you in that scene.
It really shouldn't need to be said, but it seems to me that some people here can't stop and think things through for more than half a second... I'm sure there is far more going on than meets the eye, and am going to wait to see what results.As for the Sony boycott, most definately, I'll join up. I got a PS3 and a PSP at the request of a friend and I've never seen so much... I don't even know the right word for it... insanity? lies? deceit? I'm sure there's a better term for it, but there's just so much to cover in that one word...
I trust you bro, in the grand scheme of things I'd rather you have a life then go down as a martyr. I'm sure you did what's right. Everyone in here bitching would probably be pissing themselves if they even had a taste of yours situation.Already joined the boycott when this whole thing started. I'll get stuff second-hand when it can run homebrew.
It seems his settlement isn't "confidential" anymore. Go to psx-scene.com The documents just came through thanks to gary.
yep peps can now read the settlement
In general in court cases, the settlement agreement is not filed with the court. If a party is bound by an injunction, that would have to be made available on the public docket.
damn and I had my sights set on a new mini disc player too
I've been boycotting Sony since they started suing for downloading music. So far, my paltry attempts have gone unnoticed. Perhaps together we can affect real change.
Pretty glad I decided against donating to you right about now.... months and months of hard talk on GeoHot.com then you steal a bunch of money from the scene and settle outside of court and how convenient that you are "legally bound" to not say anything about the settlement.I don't know who's worse GH or Sony.....
He shouldn't have shot the big mouth of and the video and crap if you are just going to settle he said he wanted things before he would settle and I guess what he wanted was your donations which cover more then the legal bills.Fraud that is all he is or should I say a scammer. Contact Paypal and tell them you want to dispute the money sent and do charge backs if you paid by credit card to paypal. Teach this fool a lesson.Boy you piss me off. Don't shoot the mouth off if your not going to follow threw on what you say and now we should listen to you and boycott sony because you say so? Who the hell are you. I have been boycotting sony since april 1 2010.
@GeorgeHotz I remember you said you was gonna fight till Sony met your demands...fuckin liar, looks like you are meeting their demandsHe took those donations to get his ass out of trouble, than signed a job. I feel sorry for all those who donated to him, you just gave him a job.
@webmaster Geohot isn't a fraud as your the one who donated to him, he also cannot say anything about the case as it may make it a worse situation
haha, just read the legal documents. Geohot can't really touch Sony's products now without being sued out the ass so looks like Sony won this.
You think I'm a fool? I was smarted and waited beforew I would send any money. this wasn't even a court trial yet just the prelims. Isgauny kiss his ass some more maybe he can get you a job at sony or put a good word in for you.
This will affect sony in long term more than short term
That document doesn't have the real story.The REAL details are in the memorandum of understanding, which is confidential, and direly in need of leaking by someone other then Hotz and his legal team.
@iShauny Actually he is a fraud, because he took the donations with the stipulations that he is going to fight and not stop, till are ok with his demandsStraight from his blog:What if SCEA tries to settle?Lets just say, I want the settlement terms to include OtherOS on all PS3s and an apology on the PlayStation blog for ever removing it. It'd be good PR for Sony too, lord knows they could use it. I'm also willing to accept a trade, a legit path to homebrew for knowledge of how to stop new firmwares from being decrypted.Well after reading the court documents, i'm wondering what this lawsuit was all aboutGeorge Hotz just accepted what Sony wanted from him in the first place - he could have signed this agreement months ago
I do feel bad for the amount of flaming he's going to get. You all need to keep in mind Sony has the manpower and money to continue a lawsuit like that forever. You may not see the results of the lawsuit today or next week but you will.
Hilarious that anyone would even consider the idea that I would consider working for Sony. I wouldn't work for someone I hated, no matter how much they paid me.@iShauny I believe there is a war coming that extends much much further than "is jailbreaking fair use?" and Sony.
Well, there goes your chance of a new job.As I said before, you are a genius and now is a right time to put that to work. be the good boy and hack in the shadows. Stop looking for celebrity status. But be carefull! They are on to you now and they will put you in jail if you mess with the NGP or Xperia or any other SONY device. Just a few words about you: You talked a lot of #$$# and coulnd cash any of it. You were never in this for "us", you did this for yourself and I pity the people who donated money to your Holy Crusade. You got OWNED boyz!
Guess this means no Experia hacks...?
This case had a choice of going on forever or ending now. Whatever he picks is his choice and i respect him for whatever he chooses.
And now all the Microsoft shills emerge from the woodwork to pretend there is a grass roots uprising against Sony and that everyone should buy an Xbox from that lovely American company that never break the law....Pathetic, fucking pathetic if you can't see how you are being manipulated here.
A post appeared and just as quickly vanished above. what the ????
Umm... whatever happened to the other post?Is it considered "encouraging hackin of Sony systems" or something?
When I pay to watch my favourite team play soccer, I give the club the money and I expect the team to go out there and do their best. I don't care if they get turned over by a bigger, harder playing team as long as they fight to the end. What I HATE to see is them rolling over and giving up before the final whistle. Not only does it make me not want to come back the next week but it also ruins my belief that they care about the people supporting them. Financially and spiritually. I guess the early bath suited you more. And that picture of you lifting the cup? Not going to happen as I don't think even a Sunday league team would take you with your baggage in tow.Thanks for the drama.
@iShauny, this case isn't just between George and Sony, it involves every one who donated as well. People donated with the idea that Geohot would live up to his word and NOT settle with Sony(as he so boldly stated on his website). But that's exactly what he did. He settled.
@Wow That's one way to look at it. Another way is that they are saving their strength for games where the refs aren't biased and that actually have much more importance to the rest of the season.
You have my support.Not Tv, Not SoundSystem, Not DVD player, Nothing Sony.From Chile
I really don't get why so many people are pissing all over George here. What the fuck have any of you done, have you ever been under immense pressure to make sure hundreds of thousands are happy and have their rights intact. That would be a burden most people would crack under. If he had to settle to make sure he wouldn't lose entirely then he had to fucking settle so let it go. Who the he'll needs a precedent to say yes we own what we buy? I sure as hell don't need a third party or court to tell me "yes you can do what you want with what you buy"... Guess what, I know I can do what I want with what I own and I will continue to do what I want with my property and I pity those who try and infringe upon that.
people donated with the risks, when you buy something you expect it, but you know the risks.
Hello from Thailand.Fuck you.You owe us an explanation on what exactly happened.Fuck your confidential shit nobody gives a fuck.Man it up.
Geo your a fucking joke mate!!! A FUCKING SELL OUT!!!, what you gonna do with all the donations then?, I for one want my donation back!!
Yeah, jailbreak the 3.60 then, earn some respect back.'Cus atm i and many others would class you as a fraud, and a lier, "I will not give up until they settle with my demands" now, were your demands "my demands must remain confidential" eh eh eh? i didnt think so, you settled on theres, thus you fail.
@George : Seasons' almost up. Bigger team are a shoe in for the title. 30 points clear. Nobody catching them now. Shame ;)
People Like (NAMES WITHHELD, you know who you are!) are trolls! You bash Geohot without both sides of the story. Before you bash you should have the facts and both sides of the story. You see what Sony has posted and the Stipulation terms of the case but not the facts. As in NO DETAILS... Oh and since you have seen what Sony posted it must be from the word of god right.Get your head out of your ass, put yourself in Geohots shoes for five minutes. I doubt he RAN away with your money. Sure he and Sony settled but we still don't know the terms and we may never get the full details... But if you donated to him you were a supporter and now because he walked away with a settlement you want to crucify him without even knowing the full impact of this case. Really? @Geohot Winning!!!!!
as you would say in cod, we may have lost the battle, but the war has just begun
@Quelly QI assure you... after what I just realized and compared to what I read, it's not what everyone here thinks. Back off of Geo, I know (though not word for word) that this isn't actually over. And Sony didn't win. Anyone who donated more than I has somethin' to say. Sorry, not tryin' to be an ass, but "when you play the rank game, you gotta have the rank," and no one I know yet has donated more than myself. I assure anyone who donated to him, it wasn't in vain at all...@George HotzAll I can do is thank you. I refuse to divulge anything I found out. If they wanna know, they can snoop around. And as far as Sony is concerned, don't sweat the small stuff. You did a great favor to many, and there are plenty of others to pick up the torch. It's all about fear. They'll never make it illegal for everyone. We've (You've) won this one.Everyone either boycott Sony or hack the **** out of their products! They can't stop us all!!!
Heh nice smear of Sony. Yes, Sony likes money, so does everyone. Am I the only person who notice that Geo has only be doing smears and not telling the facts objectively?
@retroactive What I've found in all PS3 related matters is no matter what you do, you make tons of people pissed off. You release something, people are pissed. You don't release something, people are pissed. Sony removes OtherOS, people are pissed at YOU. You settle, people are pissed. You fight, people are pissed. You talk, people are pissed. You stay quiet, people are pissed.The conclusion I have drawn is that PS3 fanboys are just pissed off.And no one except me has lost any rights today.
You might not be able to answer me this but here it goes anyway:Why did you bought or were given 4 diferent PS3s?! I mean, you never played online and you never bought a game that said SCEA on the back cover. Why did you went and buy it?! I mean, really?! Why? Cant you use Linux on your PC?! I honestly dont get it.
I was hoping this situation would avoid a settlement and go for a ruling by the courts so there'd be some precedent on the books, and some ruling on the legality of the DMCA and hacking your own hardware (and sharing the information to do so). Personal property rights were on the table to be determined in the legal realm. A settlement avoids a ruling, and thus keeps us from knowing our rights with this technology. Copyright is due for another upheaval like the printing press created.This is likely something the Supreme Court would take as a case if it got appealed to them. They've not ruled on it before.
There is only one side of the story.... GeoHot SAID he would use our money to fight the battle. GeoHot SAID he wouldn't settle unless PS3 agreed to adding OtherOS to all PS3s, and what did GeoHot do? NONE OF THOSE THINGS. He walked away with all of our money in his pocket and set the jailbreak movement back another 5 years.Those of you sticking up for this immature, cocky, arrogant POS need to get off his dick.
@shawn.... kiss ass much?Geohotz, is a fraud. Until he can proove him self.http://ia700401.us.archive.org/35/items/gov.uscourts.cand.235965/gov.uscourts.cand.235965.docket.html&psx-scene.com for the details of this "confidental" case
@George Hotz you're selling your Xperia x10? What about unlock the bootloader?P.D: Thanks alot for your work. Sorry for my bad english
@BricksLamp Sony won. Period.
YES I SURE AM FUCKING PISSED BECAUSE YOU MADE OTHEROS GONEAND NOW YOU'RE GIVING UP THE FIGHT ON HELPING ME GET IT BACKFUCKING. PISSED.
@GeoI believe in you, man. The problem is...why the hell did you accept the agreement? I mean.. you could have easily published all the keys and tools necessary for CFW and homebrew creation in off-shore servers. for example, you could have easily published your keys and tools in chilean servers, 'cause as I told you before, here the law protects the reverse engineering (as long as it is for educational purposes xD) and Sony has no jurisdiction or power whatsoever. You could have easily gotten away with it and Sony couldn't have done a thing about it.
@Quelly Q I promise you none of your money will end up in my pocket. And I haven't set anything back at all, hilarious how you can claim I set the jailbreak movement back. I was there when it was invented. The original iPhone hackers, me included, invented the word usage.K, time to stop feeding trolls.
@jordanThe link had... nothing.No docs whatsoever. Only that there were stips on both sides...Have YOU read the docs? Get back to me when you find them as well...
@George HotzBy the way, I really admire you. I think a kid in your age with such an amazing skills should be placed in the best jobs in the world. But with time you will gain more maturity and you will become a more humble kind of person.The future is bright for you George. Dont let this passing storm hit you hard. After it passes, you will be stronger than you were before. Keep that brain of yours working. The world needs people like you in it and you should put your skills to better use. With the right attitude you might become the next Alexander Fleming or the next Einstein.
Is it factual that other OS will not be released in the next Sony OFW? Show me the post!You presently don't know that's all I'm saying. Hell there is a lot you don't know.
@shawn read the document you moron. It says nothing about Sony having to do anything. All it says that if GeoHot ever touches a PS3 again they are going to sue the shit out of him and anyone associated with him for up to $10,000.Sony won.
@CyberMiguelHe still can... what's REALLY stopping him? Let's get real...I encourage everyone to sit back for 30 days.Take a watch-and-wait stance. There's a reason I'm smiling. :)
OK, people seem to be getting a little too upset about all of this. Well, guess you can't blame them Hotz, they're blindingly following a cause they don't even fully grasp.Anyway, I never liked you, ever since the beginning I thought all of the attention belonged to team failoverfl0w, but I guess now it's good you were the one to keep the credits, I mean, with the legal issues and all. Still, I hate greedy corporations that think they can fool the legal system and completely ignore MY rights, more than I hate lying sacks of shit.I don't intent to let this keep going. Unlike other people, I won't complain about the money I donated to you, I couldn't give a shit about it even if I tried to, I just wanted you to get out of there without a million-dollars worth fine, and it worked, no, instead I'll dump even more money into this, hire a server (IN CHINA, MIND YOU), buy a template, create an anonymous community, I just won't let Sony keep this shit up.I just wanted to ask you, is there ANYTHING I should know before I start doing all of this? I'm using a "fake" account but I have access to most of it, just letting you know ;D
I feel like all I'm doin' is feeding trolls here...Geo, you have my personal email from before, I'd hope.See ya'll once s*** hits the fan. We aren't even 2 feet off the floor, yet.
@jordan All they have is the filed Injunction and Stipulations for the out of court settlement.
@Quelly Q do you know that the DMCA sets that price not this settlement.. Do you see in that documents the details of the settlement IE: What Geo had to pay the terms of said settlement other then hey Geohot you cant touch a Sony product? Are you assuming thats it? Look at the docket dummy!! There is more then what you have read in your settlement notice! Do you know anything about the DMCA act? Get informed!2011-04-05 125 0 Document E-Filed Under Seal 2011-04-05 126 0 Order 2011-04-11 12:35:06 61e1098aa74f433047cc9324d70adda5df8f42422011-04-11 127 0 Stipulation 2011-04-11 12:35:36 abfbab31cde3488281f957e580925913970e29872011-04-11 128 0 Notice of Voluntary Dismissal 2011-04-11 12:36:10 d28d7096bb85818ceb37c4795461937b902ebe8b
As an owner of a PS3 and a programmer myself, when Sony filed the lawsuit against you, that was the last straw. I've been boycotting Sony and will continue to do so for as long as they continue to hold their stance. I'm glad you have publicly expressed the same, since I believe that there are too many that do not really understand the truth behind what all this means. Thank you for representing a largely unrepresented group. And all those that have something to cry about, they most likely couldn't stand in your shoes. Talk is cheap.
I understand why you did it, but you've got to understand as well that for us is very disappointing. I guess in the end everyone is just full of bs.Gl with rest of your life.
Its amazing the amount of leechers and trolls there are, he has posted a cfw, you loved him. he hasn't, you hate him. what have you done? NOTHING. Give him some respect for trying
Damn son! You really let me down. You know what? You're a bitch! You should have your own travel agent since you're a trip. You should have your own toilet tissue since you're full of shit. But I guess you just have issues cos you're a fucking bitch. YOU REALLY LET US ALL DOWN. YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO FIGHT TILL THE END
"I promise you none of your money will end up in my pocket".. Yeah right! You also said that you would fight this to the end and took donations for that fight. Don't you realize that your word means nothing now. You have lost your honor.Way to troll a whole community. Get us all worked up on how you were going to fight the man but instead you roll over. You have done more damage then help by undermining the community. You should never have said the things you said nor collected donations for your defense if you did not plan on seeing it through. When people look back at this they will see you for the fraud that you are. People will never forgive you because you gave then hope and then rolled-over.
I'm so happy I never donated or supported you.
@Geohot You did this yourself, don't expect sympathy. The hacking scene has been underground for years..No one understands why you trying to get famous through hacking, hence your nickname...egohot..You're smart, stop with the youtube rap videos and and the interviews. And go back to the roots of releasing things anonymously and through third parties...
I understand that noone lost their rights, I was just pointing out to others that no one can actually take their rights away they can only be given away. It all really comes down to if people believe a third party really has any authority over an I individual... Philosophically I do not believe they do and will never bow down and hand over any rights. I agree you can't please everyone but I am glad you that you stood your ground when most others would of immediately gave in no matter what it meant for others. I also do t understand why others are now complaining about wanting donations back, guess they missed the part where you said in the event you reach a settlement you would donate the remaining money to the eff... Which is perfect considering the case. I guess by now you may realize the work/hobby and the fun you have in the act of solving problems, the late nights chugging high caffeine drinks like jolt are more important than the recognition for your work? By the way I too have been done with anything Sony since this began, no more buying into anything they do.... Been a long time coming since the Sony bmg thing, this is just icing on the cake.
I KNEW this was going to happen. I can always tell when I'm dealing with a piece of crap person who would sell their mom for a buck if they could get away with it. I'm LMAO at all the dopes who donated to the "defense fund" how's it feel to be duped you losers. LMAOHe sold you all out, and now he's laughing all the way to the bank with all your donations. LMAO indeed, LMAO!!! XD XD XD XD XD XD
Rather than jump to conclusions,lets all wait and see how this plays out before we call anyone a fraud. If I was fighting for a party in the best way I knew how, and they were flaming me like this ^, id be deeply upset. Im sure Hotz still has a play up his sleeve, lets give him support till were 100% that he betrayed us, cuz as far as we know, he could be playing Zero from Code Geass.
After reading this Article about Geohot in the 7th gradehttp://gizmodo.com/#!5790822/a-hackers-shady-start-geohot-in-middle-schoolhis actions surprise me less.
he has stated that he wants the conditions to stay confidential, and that only happens when someone agrees to something that they don't want made public, like, gee, and this is off the top of my head, HE SOLD US ALL OUT!!!!!
George, old chap. I think you should go further than just not buying any new Sony products. Since Sony clearly believe they still own the products I have already purchased, I am trying to return them for a full refund. You should do the same.Oh, and don't take all the negative comments to heart - just angry youth, from my old man's perspective. I'm sure you haven't 'sold out'
@DCJoeDog I do not like confidentiality
Is it just me or is 90% of the people uninformed or just completely retarded geohot got screwed not u he can't jailbreak Sony software(atleast not as geohot haha)BUT we didn't settle with Sony an it's a settlement not a judgement there is a difference. Just my 2 centsThanks George we have contributed so much to us all in many waysFthaworld
yet, here we are with you hiding something, so prove me wrong
Oh good grief people...1) Go here: http://psx-scene.com/forums/f6/settlement-george-hotz-case-84881/2) Read the PDF, specifically the end of page 4 and beginning of page 5.3) Engage your brains and THINK!
fact is, SONY still has the right to say they own the hardware we paid for, and you took the donations to the bank, and on top of everything you are hiding behind the confidentiality of the settlement agreement
@DCJoeDog Part of the agreement is that he says nothing about it. Its that simple yet its so hard for you to understand?
I find this quote from Webmaster really entertaining:"You think I'm a fool? I was smarted and waited beforew I would send any money."(translation: "You think I'm a fool? I was smart and waited before I sent any money." Amazing what a basic understanding of spelling and grammar can do to how serious people take you.)As for everything else, I'm annoyed that there is a settlement when the case is a much bigger thing than the Playstation 3 aspect of it. But you're legally bound not to say anything about it(and saying anything could make things much worse). Can you at least let us know if you will at some point be able to speak about what was in the settlement?I'm curious about what you'll be doing with the donations, but you seem to have a plan for that. I'd vote towards donating them to the EFF, as they'd make sure the money was spent in the spirit it was donated in.
DCjoeDog Why would he risk more charges to make u happy u fall under the category of retarded hiding an legally binding argument r two different things
we will boycott Sony to...
I could give a shit about piracy, people will always find a way to do that. What I wanted determined is that WE, the consumer, OWN the PS3 we paid for, maybe not the software on it but the hardware we can tangibly touch. We should not go to jail for making a computer, which is what they.SONY, called it when it first launched (OtherOS anyone?) So what changed?
good luck boycotting Sony. Their stuff is EVERYWHERE. Just to name one example: If you own a PC chances are the button cells on your mainboard are made by Sony. So saying "I won't buy any Sony product again" is quite pointless.
i don't buy sony stuff, from 2003, when they destroy Sega Dreamcast reputation, tellin' that the PS2 was faster ('coz it was but was due a bad design), so i'm on this long time ago, i prefer LG, and specialized companies in other medias_
@Everyone With everyone saying, how can you judge him, you're not the one risking jail time, everyone seems to forget this was a civil case, the worst outcome possible would have been a legal precedent set against jailbreaking console and Hotz having to pay. He wouldn't have gone to jail even if he had lost the case. So, even less of a reason for him to settle...
Oh well. Might as well try getting laid now you have fuck all else to do. Go SONY!!
Hello George,I am happy about your wise decision to settle.That situation was for me very difficult to live. I could not support one Entire company using his full force to break one man when freedom was at stake. This was an unbearable situation and I felt and still feel utterly disgusted by the method used. Sometimes when claiming you were a fugitive, it looked like a smear campaign. This was an unbearable manhunt.With my best regards,F.
geohot,was it all worth it then? was it worth making your parents tear their hair out in worry and frustration? grow up man. on the one hand you damaged millions of people who depend on games selling for their jobs and on the other you caused probably your own mother a lot of grief for this senseless matter.Sometimes having publicity and fame can be costly. try to learn from this and move on.
@EveryoneUgh, people seem so misguided that I just feel compelled to write more about this whole thing:First of all, Hotz gets sued by Sony. Promises to fight the fight to the end or until he gets a settlement with Sony that allows for an authorized path to homebrew on PS3, OtherOS and an apology from Sony to the scene.Then, he proceeds to ask for donations. Many people donate to him because of his promise and all the good that would ensue.Hotz settles with Sony, breaking his promise and letting down all those people who donated to him.That is the reason why people are so angry at him.As for the court case itself and why he should NOT have caved in:It was a civil case, he couldn't have gotten into jail even if he had suffered a complete, and total defeat in court. The worst outcome would be that he would have had to pay quite a large sum of money to Sony, in which the community would most likely have helped simply out of respect for going through the whole thing.If he had won the case it would have set a very, VERY powerful precedent and enforced general consumer rights in that you are indeed allowed to modify electronics you have legally bought without fear of facing legal difficulties. Also, it would have created a large barrier for these large companies for trying to bully consumers into submission, and would have helped all consumers in general, not just PS3 owners.Especially the fact that it would have had nationwide (in the US, that is.) effect on consumer rights is the reason why it was so god damn important to go through with the whole thing.As for the court case if he had settled as per his original promise to the scene:We would have an authorized way of using homebrew without having to resort to hacks, and we would also be able to enjoy OtherOS. While this is a LOT less important than the precedent I mentioned earlier it would still have benefited atleast the PS3 scene.The result:Well, people lost the money they donated to him, he broke his promises, and there is no way of getting the donated money back. Donations are not covered by the credit card company rules and thus cannot be disputed.Hotz can try to move to China if he wishes to continue hacking, but no one will take him seriously anymore. Or he can release stuff anonymously, but that will still not change anything, the scene has gained absolutely nothing.
I hope this is not the last chapter in the case. I still have hope, although I can't figure out your strategy. Hope you know what you're doing.
The only way Geo would have settled and gained nothing is if Sony was going to win, and set a binding and chilling precedent.Either he did get something but can't talk about it, or he sacrificed his rights to allow hacking to continue.
That's good.Sony went too far man.Everyone who visited Hotz's site, their IP would be procured. What madness is this?"Tretton- I mean. you've got to be kidding me, I bought a console that comes without harddrive".So what exactly is this settlement? that you must not hack another Sony product?Sony did have the right to sue you, but lost it when they started suing FailOverflow and other hackers:/Since you are boycotting Sony's product.Are you gonna buy Ninja Gaiden 3?:Pdon't you dare boycott that game!:)
@ XxRaVeNxXYou're running on the assumption that this is all over, then?
looks like the settlement documents have been leaked. and if they are true and legit dude you didnt win anything infact they took you out completely :( hope this isnt true
"Long statements an big words dont make u right it just means u talk alot"Fthaworld
dont mater what they say i still got cfw on my console and it all started here.thanks man.
@tonyuk73 And that's precisely why the DMCA is laughable.
anyone else see a page update for a few seconds that was removed?I linked on my facebook page to let people see and the thumbnail is a picture OPERATION BOYCOTT SONYHow.....Why.....If I were you atm Geo, I would let sleeping dogs lie and lose this battle but win the war
I cannot find a single Sony product in my house except for some old dirty ass headphones from a discman. I've been boycotting Sony without even noticing for years, but I will make sure to boycott them in my blog, nothing positive about Sony will be posted ever again as of today, and I'll do my best to make sure people know why.
@john: the document on psx-scene.com doesn't include the confidential memorandum of understanding (referenced page 1, line 20 of the document they posted) that both parties agreed to on Mar. 31.That, I presume, contains the meat of the agreement, and the part we won't see unless someone leaks it.
George: stop complaining and saying stupid stuff. Sony electronics are as good or better than other's, and if you like them...why not buying them? You are just crying because they did what they had to do: Protect themselves from you and you unstopable will of pirating their system. Man, if i were them, ill do exactly the same. Touche.
@ Jorge: Yes, Sony products are just as good as everyone elses. Makes you wonder why they charge double what everyone else does, doesn't it?@ All: Until Wikileaks gets hold of that Memorandum Of Understanding, we're not going to know the full agreement, and what Sony may or may not be obliged to do. All we have to go on is the Final Judgement document (Which I can see at least 2 fatal mistakes in on SCEA's part, and I'm not even a Lawyer!).Chill, guys! Have a little patience!
Thanks geo, sometimes the wisest way is to settle.Even if I gave you money you can go on holidays with, for all the work you've done and I think all the work you will done !Don't only think about haters, there's also lots of people supporting you even if they don't say it.Go on Geo
@EveryoneFunny, he wants us boycott SONY products...the big difference between us and him... he doesn't have a choice now...
"If any term of such SCEA or SCEA Affilates' license agreement or terms ofuse applicable to that Sony Product shall be determined by Congress or by acourt of law in a final non-appealable decision in an action to which SCEA oran SCEA Affiliate is a party to be illegal and unenforceable, then such termshall not be binding on Hotz."I understand Geohot's logic. This battle is not Geohot vs Sony it's Consumers vs Manufacturers. Geohot wasn't fighting for our rights, he was fighting to save his own ass. One day we will have the law on our side and once that happens this "settlement" will be null and void. Until then... chill the fuck out. Those of you who think that Geohot is a sell-out or a fraud are just simple minded.I think he made the best decission possible all things considered. You have to pick your fights, and we all had nothing to gain by Geohot winning or losing this battle.
@George HotzJust checked out 4chan...Seems Anonymous is pissed off at you for caving in...
just tell me george...what did you gain from doing all of this..?if u could go back in time would u post the ps3 codes online?
You guys keep flaming him for trying to save his own ass isn't right, he was fighting for his right to use his system the way he felt, and to think he was fighting for us to be able to download Gran Turismo 5 is f'd up and selfish. I donated because I felt he didn't do anything wrong (other than catering to crybabies about cfw), and I'm happy for you bro as a fellow security expert, and you deserve a little piece of mind. I hope this doesn't stop further research on other OSs and you keep it to yourself.
I think we should all respect Geohot's big risk he took by standing up towards Sony for a while. Not many dare to risk so much from their own life to defend the world against sony. I think we could be a little bit more respectful :).
> Billy said...> You guys keep flaming him for trying to save his own ass isn't right, he was fighting for his right to use his system the way he felt, and to think he was fighting for us to be able to download Gran Turismo 5 is f'd up and selfish. +1> Michiel Krol said...> I think we should all respect Geohot's big risk he took by standing up towards Sony for a while. Not many dare to risk so much from their own life to defend the world against sony. I think we could be a little bit more respectful :).+1Think of what you would be able to do with if you were in his shoes - how far will the donations go towards fighting Sony? Although a little saddened by the news, I'm glad he (most likely) still has both kidneys. If I were him, I'd do the same thing - you guys make it sound like he had a choice...
Dear George, I have a simple question for you, which you may not be allowed to answer.People here and on psx-scene.com are getting their reactions to the settlement going. You said in one of your replies that PS3 owners are always pissed. My question, in regard to the settlement, and what that means for us all in the foreseeable future is this:Should we be pissed? Or should we actually be happy?
GeoHOT...................unlock baseband 03.10.01 pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!you are the best man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!COME ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!AGUANTE GEOHOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A few things:1: The "leaked" document is just the public part that NEEDS to be public, there is more to the agreement that that filing. Of course the public filing has only things George has to do. It might even even force OtherOS back, which they could spin as positive for them and "totally unrelated to the lawsuit promise" since no one who knows can talk about it.2: This settlement does not mean everything is over. George can bring a case against Sony, try to organize (another) class action or... I don't know, a lot can happen. He says something is in the works so we'll have to wait and see.Though if its good news I suspect all those flaming here will switch sides again.
To all the troll complainers, STFU! Seriously.ok, so this isnt exactly what everyone wanted to see, but it not the worst outcome either, and aside from a very small monitary investment what did you have to loose? Nothing, you chose to donate this money. You either support something and someone or you don't. Stop complaining, be glad that hotz can still help us and others with our iOS devices and who knows what else in the future. This was not a declaration that it is illegal for all people to "jailbreak" there game consoles, this was a settlement between hotz and Scea on this INDIVIDUAL case.Take a breath, enjoy hat you have right now, boycott everything Sony if that makes you feel better.As for me, I eagerly await more iOS activity (iPad 2 anyone?)Smile Damn it!
the leftover donate fund should be donated to graf!! atleast he will fight and does still work on the ps3 even though he isnt allowed to.
Yo geo, not sure why people are pissed. If you fight with a giant, and you tie, then isn't that a loss for the Giant?The fact that you still have clothes on your back and your future isn't ruined is reason enough for me to err on the side of victory, since Sony wasn't able to do to you what they did to Lik Sang.This may not be the "big win" people were hoping for, but if I'm picking up what you're putting down, I'm anticipating some big wins in the future. :)
@George HotzI for one appreciate all of your hard work. Thank you for publishing your discoveries so that the rest of us could benefit from your talent. My donation, I thought, was to help you pick a fight with Sony. No one can guarantee a lawsuit's outcome. Thanks for fighting. Please stay active in the scene. More rap videos too if you get a chance.
I am really happy for you that you reached for a settlement instead of more assraping from sony. I am rooting for you man and keep up the good work, I got my ps3 but next generation I won't buy anything from sony ever again after this bullshit from sony.
@GeohotANY FUNDS THAT ARE LEFT SHOULD GO TO GRAF_CHOCOLO DEFENSE!!He isn't in it for fame(Unlike You)And has continued to release even after being served and threatened by sony(Unlike You)
what ever happened..i am happy for geohot that this settelment has ended even if sony wins but i still respect geohot..there might be some threat given to geohot by sony..afterall he have his life..he have family..talking for you is very easy for you people but what geohot have gone through is really tough and depressing when sony rades your house and all..geohot i recommend you to quit all jailbreak scene..what you get in the hatred only? this is not life dude..throw all the donations on the faces of people who donated and shut their mouth..i dont care about the agreement details the thing is you saved yourself thats important for me..and i really appreciate your effort you did to jailbreaking and unlocking scenes uptill now...have a good life and stay happy
I'm happy for you that the whole thing is over! As a 'poor college student' I wasn't able to donate to your cause, but I did my best to get the word out!
Graf isn't a big pussy like egobitch, donate to graf not this puto.
way to puss the fuck out of something sony knew they were going to lose you faggot
I just broke my PSP Go :D I fucked it up with my airgun + i burned the sony logo :PP Sadly did't i film it and place it on YouTube, and then would Sony sue for me for no reason.Sony is shit. When you buy things, should you have rights to modify or do everything you want to do with it. Freedom of what you buy. Going back to Xbox.We all support you, George!-- Another sony:-- eBeatYou
Anotehr sony hater*
"Sony is shit. When you buy things, should you have rights to modify or do everything you want to do with it. Freedom of what you buy. Going back to Xbox."and microsoft allows you to run stuff on 360? You are an idiot, i bet geohot is laughing at you.
@geohot I thought you were going to fight more for our rights and you were not going to surrender as easily as you did it, behind it must be money or legal Extortion but not because say you would never take a step back. I am very disappointed in you, believed that you could give more but I was wrong
Details leaked, http://www.project-ps3.com/community/topic/239-sony-vs-geohot-settlement-documents-leaked/8 pages of settlement docs.
Geohot, did Sony try and pin the Anonymous attack on you?I made this slashdot post, based on what I could piece together.http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2078650&cid=35784840How far off the mark was I?
FUCK YOU DICK HOLE GO CRAWL IN A HOLE AND DIE. SHOULD OF KNOWN U WERE GONNA PULL THIS SHIT AFTER YOUR 3.21OO STUNT YOU NEED TO BE CASTRATED TO PREVENT BREEDING OF YOUR IGNORANCE IN THE FUTURE
Basically you're a punk, George. You got caught, burned and now you're broke. Tough shit.So much for all the splendour and grandeur surrounding your alleged protest. Seems like you just bent over and took it. Good for you.
Not a PS3 of any sony product in my house either. Geo, you've done a great job! A great job at the iPhone scene, great job at the PS3 scene. Here in holland (that's why the english is a bit bad), almost anyone i know (owning a iPhone) is enjoying your creative work (so called, jailbreak).Those troll's who are complaining about their donation... I guess only 5% of them realy donated money to you... thats the magic of anonymous on the internet i guess.I did read 'some PDF file' which said someting about 10.000 per wrongdoing... a cap of 250.000... hmmm i'm very curious how big the donation bank account is, but i thing people need to keep donating... because... What if you reached the 250.000 cap... ahh, just some wild thinking...
That's just the same public docs that psx-scene had.We need that memorandum of understanding.
SO HOW ABOUT CREDITING THE REAL WORKERS BEHIND YOUR CFW? YA KNOW PEOPLE LIKE GEE FAIL OVER FLOW THE PEOPLE THAT MADE IT POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO EVE FIND THOSE DAMN KEYS.... NOW THAT YOUR ATTENTION WHORING IS DONE AND CAN NEVER BE SAVED I HOPE THE IPHONE SCENE REJECTS AND HATES YOU AS MUCH AS THE PS3 SCENE DOES
Does this mean we wont see NGP - Next Geohot Project??Im gutted, i wont be buying the NGP then...
nice spin, George, but it's not really a "boycott" if the courts are preventing you from touching another Sony product ever again.
I like how a bunch of these people all flock to see what Geo Hotz did when he released his findings. I also like that people stood up for him when he was fighting Sony, and wish I could have donated. What I find laughable is all of these people that are bashing George for settling with Sony. How about you guys try to take on a huge company like Sony sometime. 9 out of 10 would settle just like George. He is right for not talking about the terms, because he legally has to do so. I will keep coming to this website for updates on whatever George posts, weather it be Ipad , Super Nintendo or something completely different.
@discostu668lol, so true.
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