Thursday, April 28, 2011

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To start, I sure am glad I don't have a PSN account about now. And, as a onetime victim of identity theft, I feel for everyone who's data has been stolen. I'm not going to make cracks at Sony for flipping a shit when /their/ data is compromised, and not even having the decency to apologize when it's your data that's misappropriated.

And to anyone who thinks I was involved in any way with this, I'm not crazy, and would prefer to not have the FBI knocking on my door. Running homebrew and exploring security on your devices is cool, hacking into someone elses server and stealing databases of user info is not cool. You make the hacking community look bad, even if it is aimed at douches like Sony.

One of the things I was contemplating back in early January was a PSN alternative, a place for jailbroken consoles to download homebrew and game without messing up anyone else's experience. Unfortunately events led me off of that path, but gamers, if I had succeeded you would have an alternative place to game online with your PS3 right now. I'm one of the good guys. I used to play games online on PC, I hated cheaters then and I hate them now.

Also, let's not fault the Sony engineers for this, the same way I do not fault the engineers who designed the BMG rootkit. The fault lies with the executives who declared a war on hackers, laughed at the idea of people penetrating the fortress that once was Sony, whined incessantly about piracy, and kept hiring more lawyers when they really needed to hire good security experts. Alienating the hacker community is not a good idea.

Now until more information is revealed on the technicals, I can only speculate, but I bet Sony's arrogance and misunderstanding of ownership put them in this position. Sony execs probably haughtily chuckled at the idea of threat modeling. Traditionally the trust boundary for a web service exists between the server and the client. But Sony believes they own the client too, so if they just put a trust boundary between the consumer and the client(can't trust those pesky consumers), everything is good. Since everyone knows the PS3 is unhackable, why waste money adding pointless security between the client and the server? This arrogance undermines a basic security principle, never trust the client. It's the same reason MW2 was covered in cheaters, Infinity Ward even admitted to the mistake of trusting Sony's client. Sony needs to accept that they no longer own and control the PS3 when they sell it to you. Notice it's only PSN that gave away all your personal data, not Xbox Live when the 360 was hacked, not iTunes when the iPhone was jailbroken, and not GMail when Android was rooted. Because other companies aren't crazy.

And let's talk about Sony's use of the word illegal. It is illegal, criminally so, to break into someone else's servers. But when the same word is used to refer to streaming a song from a non RIAA approved website, or to *gasp* playing a homebrew game on your PS3, respect for the word and those who say it is lost.

Weighing in quickly on the whole hacker vs cracker thing. I am a hacker. Whoever did this were hackers also. The media will never start using the word cracker. To me, a hacker is just somebody with a set of skills; hacker is to computer as plumber is to pipes. And the same ethics should apply, if you want to mess with the pipes in your own house, go for it. But don't go breaking into people's houses and messing with their pipes. (Note that I do not endorse water piracy)

To the perpetrator, two things. You are clearly talented and will have plenty of money(or a jail sentence and bankruptcy) coming to you in the future. Don't be a dick and sell people's information. And I'd love to see a write up on how it all went down...lord knows we'll never get that from Sony, noobs probably had the password set to '4' or something. I mean, at least it was randomly generated.

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Blogger ThePirateKid said...

All they had to do was keep OTHER OS...look at them now

April 28, 2011 at 5:34 AM  
Blogger ThePirateKid said...

You were a victim of identity theft?? @George Hotz

April 28, 2011 at 5:38 AM  
OpenID romeoshivsadruid said...

Spot on mate! I want to own my PS3 as well!
@ThePirateKid Agreed keeping other OS would have been smart.

April 28, 2011 at 5:50 AM  
Blogger ThePirateKid said...

Right now the best thing apart from PSN coming back on would be as you said in January a PSN alternative that is free doesn't require much personal info except an email, etc.

Also these hackers who are taking people's sensitive data and giving legitimate hackers a bad name... Scumbags.

And SONY live by one rule and this shit won't happen
"Showing-off is a fools idea of glory" So don't get cocky cause this shit is exactly what happens to you show-offs and liars

April 28, 2011 at 5:55 AM  
Blogger Brat said...

Some comment from n4g:

It has EVERYTHING to do with you. YOU were the one who decided to mess with OtherOS. YOU were the one who then bragged about hacking the console through OtherOS.

YOU were the one who then unleashed the console's root key on the internet for the world to see, and for your own egotistical reasons.

Then when the inevitable happened and Sony came after you, Anonymous got involved because of YOU. Then all these other basement-sleeping, milk-drinking and paranoid hackers went after Sony, forging some kind of holy crusade because of YOU.

April 28, 2011 at 6:00 AM  
Blogger George Hotz said...

Sounds like n4g...they need somebody to blame and it certainly won't be Sony.

April 28, 2011 at 6:00 AM  
Blogger ThePirateKid said...

Blame game huh... SONY own up to your inadequate protection of your PSN users personal info cause if you want to put the blame on geohot graf or anon your in the wrong

The funny thing if they called you geohot to help with security... then its a #fail for SONY

April 28, 2011 at 6:09 AM  
Blogger ArronC07 said...

It can all be traced back to you, if you hadn't cracked the PS3 and then published the root keys this wouldn't have happened.

It is entirely YOUR fault. You see your actions do have consequences you utter moron. Funny how its never your fault is it, its about time you grew up.

April 28, 2011 at 6:11 AM  
Blogger ThePirateKid said...

Not quite @ArroC07 SONY was already planning to remove OTHER OS before @George Hotz hacked the PS3, they originally said that only slim models will lose other os but got the chance to remove other os from the original PS3 under the notion of security even though the hack was patchable.

April 28, 2011 at 6:18 AM  
Blogger Red Bird said...

Yeah, it's a fact and no one can deny it.
It's all YOUR fault my dear. Without you on this scene, we would be playing like hell by now on PSN..

April 28, 2011 at 6:29 AM  
Blogger ThePirateKid said...

@Red Bird Not True

April 28, 2011 at 6:32 AM  
Blogger Rekees said...

@ArronC07

So by your logic we should blame Smith & Wesson for countless murders. I think not. George may have opened up the PS3 to allow homebrew (and yes, possibly enable piracy) but Jesus Christ, I can't go stab somebody with a blade and blame the knife manufacturer.

That asside, what George physically did with the PS3 has very little bearing on what happened to Sony. I may be wrong but from comments within the hacking community the hack was done WITHOUT a PS3, just a PC in all likelihood.

At the end of the day all he is guilty of is starting to shedd light on Sonys attitudes towards consumers, and now also their security, personal information, game studios and 'white hats'.

I don't call the person a cunt who accurately points out somebody else is a cunt.

April 28, 2011 at 6:32 AM  
Blogger ArronC07 said...

@ThePirateKid

You're the perfect example of someone who can't even grasp the simple concept of how YOUR actions have consequences for OTHER people. If Sony wanted to remove Other OS that's up to them, people like you and George should have just dealt with that. Instead like children you have this sense of entitlement and so the PS3 was hacked and root keys published. No thought was given to how this would be used by other people, all that crossed your tiny little minds was how this affected YOU.

Then came the lawsuit and looking at it Sony had good reason to try and shut this down. But that wasn't enough so those other idiots who've watched far too many movies, Anonymous, got involved and this has snowballed to where 77 million accounts have been compromised. People have used George's work that he has irresponsibly shared and its the consumer that's been screwed over.

Well done *slow golf clap*, thanks for "standing up for my rights" even though I never asked you too. You all need to wake up and smell coffee, your actions have consequences and hopefully people will start to see you all for the irresponsible, childish little twunts that you are all evidently are. I know who I'm blaming for this and while I'm a little pissed at Sony I'm more pissed with people like you. You and George are to blame.

April 28, 2011 at 6:34 AM  
Blogger ArronC07 said...

@Rekees

Grow up you silly little boy- seriously grow up mate.

April 28, 2011 at 6:36 AM  
Blogger Rekees said...

@ArronC07

What an ironic response

April 28, 2011 at 6:39 AM  
Blogger Nature boy said...

Kettle calling black (or something like that) George you inspired these criminals and should take some responsibility for this. No need to gloat about this kid

April 28, 2011 at 6:44 AM  
Blogger ThePirateKid said...

@Arron07

Some people bought the PS3 for OTHEROS amongst other things and when SONY took it away people got angry, SONY then started the blame game apparently saying security was an issue(why lie SONY if the PS3 wasn't bringing profit due to OTHER OS then say so not take the easy way out blaming geohot and his HV hack). People bought the PS3 for other os and geohot was just re-enabling what sony wanted to take.

Just cause you don't want your rights to be represented fine but there are people who want themselves to be represented and they were the people who donated to geohot.

Geohot isn't to blame for these recent attack at PSN seriously geohot did release metldr but that doesn't mean he'd attack sony for being a douche, geohot is above that and I know it isn't something geohot nor graf nor fail0verflow or KaKaroto would take pride in believe me.

April 28, 2011 at 6:50 AM  
Blogger Nature boy said...

ArronC07, Brat and Red Bird are correct. George, Piratekid and CO you guys should take responsibility for this. After all is there such thing as a 'good theif'? In my eyes you are all criminals and the law will catch up to you guys one day

April 28, 2011 at 6:50 AM  
Blogger Rekees said...

@Nature Boy

Your absolutely right!

Trying to renable a feature that was removed POST SALE (a bit like Ford coming to take your AirCon 3 months after you bought and paid for the car) and giving people the facility to use a product in a more expanded way is exactly the same as....

Stealing 77 million personal details and breaking in to corporate property to get them.


Sarcasm in my response and Sonys PR aside, hopefully Sony come out of this with a much better product. If when it returns, the PSN has much higher security and Sony crank out a few more features (come on now Sony, 5 years for XGC?) I could gladly have it stay down for just as long again.

You can blame George all you like but he wasn't the hand that wraught this, nor is he responsible for Sonys lack of security. If anything, Sony should have thought about looking at it's infrastucture the moment people contemplated hacking to run homebrew and how to accomodate it, not 2 years later when the shit has hit the fan and it's too late.

April 28, 2011 at 6:54 AM  
Blogger ThePirateKid said...

@Nature Boy seriously how are they correct and all geohot and co. did was to enable OTHEROS something SONY previously supported so how can it be legal when SONY supports it and illegal when SONY doesn't??

April 28, 2011 at 6:59 AM  
Blogger Nature boy said...

Piratekidd don't you see that by releasing patches and stuff online it inspired the criminals? let imagine these guys have been working for ages and then George cam along and indirectly gave them a lead somewhere.. you see why he should share some of the responsibility

April 28, 2011 at 7:02 AM  
Blogger ThePirateKid said...

@George Hotz doesn't do things anonymously and do you even know who these criminals are cause @George Hotz doesn't

April 28, 2011 at 7:04 AM  
Blogger ArronC07 said...

Still don't get it do they? The level of delusion on display from people like George, PirateKid and Rekees is breathtaking.

April 28, 2011 at 7:06 AM  
Blogger ThePirateKid said...

@Nature Boy and co.you base your stuff on vague concepts and stop acting delusional cause none of the PS3 hackers (not crackers)are involved in the recent PSN attacks

April 28, 2011 at 7:09 AM  
Blogger Rekees said...

@Nature Boy Sorry fella but as much as I can kinda see what you mean I have to disagree. I think too many people are looking for a target to blame because right now there isn't.

"...let imagine these guys have been working for ages and then George cam along and indirectly gave them a lead somewhere.. you see why he should share some of the responsibility..."

Perhaps we should blame Sony for making a PS3 which allowed Geo to hack it, which 'inspired' others to commit crimes...

The backwards blame game can go on forever. Hyperthetically - how about blaming Microsoft for creating a PC OS that the hackers used to break in to PSN, shouldnt they be partly responsible? No. People are only blaming the person that makes the tools because human nature to try to give face to something we don't understand (read:God). If the hackers were caught already I very much doubt 1% of the people currently blaming George would have continued to do so.

The only people I see as responsible for this downtime are the people that actually commited the crime, and Sony for it's total like of foresight and understanding of basic security measures.

April 28, 2011 at 7:09 AM  
Blogger ArronC07 said...

Nope, its not going in is it?

April 28, 2011 at 7:14 AM  
Blogger Rekees said...

@ArronC07 Evidently not. I forgot that I'm not entitled to put across a reasoned arguement while others make snide remarks that add nothing to the discussion.

Quite frankly if it's not 'going in' I don't fucking want it.

April 28, 2011 at 7:15 AM  
Blogger ThePirateKid said...

The lack of understanding never ceases to amaze me and to read what geohot wrote awhile back if you wanna blame him

"I'm not the kind of guy who would be anonymous, I take too much pride in what I do and I wasn't raised that way..."

So you still think geohot is involved?

April 28, 2011 at 7:18 AM  
Blogger Nature boy said...

Piratekid we could go on and on. If George wants to redemn himself, he should assit the authorities in apprehending these criminals

April 28, 2011 at 7:26 AM  
Blogger George Hotz said...

@Nature boy Hell, I'd help out just for knowing how they did it.

April 28, 2011 at 7:32 AM  
Blogger Nature boy said...

If you knew how they did it George will you use it against Sony i.e. to blackmail them?

April 28, 2011 at 7:35 AM  
Blogger Rekees said...

Ah.

Obvious troll is now obvious

April 28, 2011 at 7:37 AM  
Blogger George Hotz said...

@Nature boy Huh? That doesn't even make sense. I would sure hope the vuln is patched by the time PSN is back up. What would I blackmail?

April 28, 2011 at 7:37 AM  
Blogger tredstone said...

Who cares who is involved, it went down and was a great message to Sony. This is the most balanced and sensible post written by Geohot and it has got my respect. My details have been stolen also, but I still have respect for the person/s who have done this, takes skill and big set of balls - if they are caught, they will be globally known and made an example of

Great post...

April 28, 2011 at 7:37 AM  
Blogger George Hotz said...

@tredstone I don't care who specifically, but I'd be very interested to know what type of person it was. I'm a bit surprised they didn't release a statement, leading me to believe it's cybercriminals. Ballsy, I'll give you that.

April 28, 2011 at 7:49 AM  
Blogger Stb said...

LOL, funny funny read.

April 28, 2011 at 7:49 AM  
Blogger Swipper said...

Sony got as they deserved, the only bad thing is the credit card information shared.

Sony Isn't Really Good With Computer's...

April 28, 2011 at 7:52 AM  
Blogger George Hotz said...

@Swipper Perhaps Sony got what they deserve, but the users sure didn't. We'll see how this all plays out.

And seriously if Sony didn't hash passwords...

April 28, 2011 at 7:55 AM  
Blogger ThePirateKid said...

Cybercrims giving legit hackers a bad name...worst than that is SONY fanboys saying its geohot, so little they know

April 28, 2011 at 7:58 AM  
Blogger ArronC07 said...

@PirateKid

The point is, if George hadn't done what he'd done groups like Anonymous wouldn't have got involved and other hackers wouldn't have had the tools to do what they did to PSN.

That's the point. This silly boy with his sense of entitlement and a lack of forethought around how his actions have consequences for other people is to blame.

April 28, 2011 at 7:58 AM  
Blogger George Hotz said...

@ArronC07 Err I don't think Anonymous got involved cause of something I did...

April 28, 2011 at 8:01 AM  
Blogger Swipper said...

True, true.

These hackers going to far, hope they get caught for stealing all of these people's credit card information.

April 28, 2011 at 8:02 AM  
Blogger ThePirateKid said...

@george hotz shows you how delusional people can be

April 28, 2011 at 8:03 AM  
Blogger Swipper said...

@George Hotz TheChronosus @ youtube thinks you're behind the ps3 server hacking, that guy got no idea what he's talking about.


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got to go, for reply, add a link to the comment and send it to email@swipper.org

April 28, 2011 at 8:07 AM  
Blogger tredstone said...

@George Hotz

If it were cybercriminals then we should not be concerned that are available with skills and resources to enable this event. We should be concerned that failed corporations like Sony that enforce an unstructured and isolated view of network security protocols are allowed to operate without governance.

Your post was very close to the truth around trust relationships, miss the basics and you open up a disproportionate chain of events (as you know far better than my words). I've yet to see any net effect however, composite spam is not increasing, no reports of personal fraud. Could correlate to the school of thought that this was a severe PR message to Sony.

Anyway, who would know - only a very small and discrete group that are suspected to remain quiet for some time.

Keep up the good work George, you are an inspiration to many

April 28, 2011 at 8:11 AM  
Blogger robink said...

@George Hotz
when this drama is over, can we expect a comeback to the iPhone jailbreak community ? no, not begging for the unlock nor the iPad 2 jailbreak , just asking wheater you think of that.. or no comeback? because you said "once" ? even posixninja needs you ! :( that would be awesome..
and please set up a new twitter!! :(

April 28, 2011 at 8:29 AM  
Blogger neloangelo said...

Hotz, really? It has EVERYTHING to do with you. YOU were the one who decided to mess with OtherOS. YOU were the one who then bragged about hacking the console through OtherOS, and when Sony removed the feature because of obvious reasons, you and your Hacker friends cried foul.

YOU were the one who then unleashed the console's root key on the internet for the world to see, and for your own self promoting, egotistical reasons.

Then when the inevitable happened and Sony came after you, Anonymous got involved because of YOU. Then all these other "Hackers" went after Sony, forging some kind of holy crusade because of YOU.

Hotz, leave the Industry. This all happened because of YOU.

April 28, 2011 at 8:37 AM  
Blogger ThePirateKid said...

Even jcf_dev tweeted for you tocome back

April 28, 2011 at 8:37 AM  
Blogger ThePirateKid said...

@neloangelo it wasn't geohot's fault other os was taken sony already wanted to remove other os before the release of the PS3 SLIM and just cause geohot released his HV exploit sony masked their already known intentions to scrap other os under security priorities and removed other os entirely

April 28, 2011 at 8:44 AM  
Blogger tredstone said...

@neloangelo

You are entitled to your opinion however when you start speculating about what happened, your post just becomes noise. Please provide evidence to back up your speculation then your post becomes much more interesting. Until such time, we move on. What George has done for the 'industry' far outweighs any perceived negative impact...

April 28, 2011 at 8:54 AM  
OpenID ps3boner.com said...

If we're going to blame geohot, let's go EVEN FURTHER and blame the guys who made IDA. Now let's go further, let's blame Microsoft for making windows which he was probably running IDA on. See how retarded this argument is?

April 28, 2011 at 8:58 AM  
Blogger neloangelo said...

@PirateKid... Obviously you're basing your opinions on what George is claiming. The fact however remains that the OtherOs was not removed until the system was hacked, NOT before. Secondly what useful applications were released using the OtherOS feature in all the years prior? Name one.

@ tredstone... Negative impacts on the industry are not perceived. Look at the PSP and the PC market, and the effects on development and sales for the honest people creating these games. That alone speaks for itself.
Also why wasnn't PSN hacked before? Since the case started Sony has been plagued with threats. The PS3 was fine, PSN was fine, we had OtherOS, and pretty much everything else anyone (i.e. gamers) wanted.

However, the PS3 got hacked and it's been downhill ever since for Sony. All it would have taken, all it would have required, was for these "Hackers" to leave well enough alone but they just couldn't do it could they? They couldn't do it because much like the hackers that hit the PSN, George had to 'prove' something and when Sony didn't just lay down and take it, it became a 'righteous' cause for a lot of people. There are some people, particularly the hackers, who think hitting the PSN was a righteous cause too.

Those of us who really understood the implications, and the can of worms the hack and hackers opened up months back never supported it, and I think a lot of people have figured what the hackers are really all about...

George and the hackers who hit PSN aren't working for a 'righteous cause', they aren't doing it for any noble reason like 'allowing people to use what they bought and how they want', you're doing it just because you can and only for yourself under the guise of free speech and community. Now look what its come to... innocent people who support the industry are at risk. The irony is that Sony is getting the blame. They're taking the brunt of the media's negativity, when the focus should be on the consumers and finding the people responsible.

But hey I guess this is all for my benefit...

April 28, 2011 at 9:24 AM  
Blogger ArronC07 said...

@neloamgelo I wouldn't waste your breath, these people are incapable of admitting that they're in the wrong- they only see how things affect them directly- It's simple egotism.

April 28, 2011 at 9:31 AM  
Blogger The Rising said...

Those who are in the same camp of individuals as neloangelo, ArronC07, Nature Boy, Brat and Red Bird should be charged and arrested for terrorism, treason and sedition, and all of them should be thrown into and forgotten in America's worst prisons like the Guantanamo Bay detention camp. If they are foreign, they should be extradited to the US and charged with violating the Geneva Convention.

These people, as well as the criminals who breached Sony's PlayStation Network security with the [apparent, since no one on either end has offered any more information] intent on causing harm to others for nothing more than their own capitalist gains, are the people who destroy and subvert our great nation and wreak ungodly havoc on the world for THEIR own selfish and devastating ends.

I hope to see that the people like the ones I named will have to stand and defend themselves in our courts for their crimes against America. And I pray that they will be convicted of their crimes and be given the most swift and righteous penalties we can assess to these terrorists.

As for you, GeoHot, nice post. Sorry to pull out the Flaming Sword of Fucking Fury(TM) on your blog, but it had to be said. The assessment of your own character seems to fit with what I figured about you, and here's to hoping you'll return to what you love doing best, and sharing it to the world, for the world.

April 28, 2011 at 9:34 AM  
Blogger TheiPodTouchPenguin said...

Glad to see someone like Geohot to post this. He's pretty cool. But hey George, come back in the iOS scene! You were one of the best and fastest hackers there. And it's even legal jailbreaking now. You're missed!

April 28, 2011 at 9:35 AM  
Blogger Nature boy said...

George should share some blame like i have always said. Your actions have consequences down the line. I am sure the criminals used his work and took it a step further to break into the systems. I don't own a PS3 and not a fanboy but i just use my common sense. Next time before you go on your hacking spree, think about the consequences of your actions. This goes for all your fanboys Piratekid, the rising et all

April 28, 2011 at 9:41 AM  
Blogger Bennett said...

The PS3 fanboys will believe anything, apparently. Maybe THAT'S why Sony removed OtherOS; I'm sure it's easier to sell stuff to morons.

April 28, 2011 at 9:47 AM  
Blogger KAOS JUGON said...

It is curious that people how are you supposed defends the right to be free to attack a company that provides a free service and push us to buy a service and pay slave. All these hacker Deveria be in jail paying for their misdeeds, stop lying they do not say by USER only do it for arrogance.

April 28, 2011 at 9:52 AM  
Blogger Stoffzor said...

My god! You were all cheering for geohot in the lawsuit and you just couldnt wait for homebrew to be released! And look at you now, a bunch of real jerkoffs saying this is his fault? Are you people insane?! If I leave my house key in the lock, would it be OK to go in? Think not.... Keep up the good work George!!

April 28, 2011 at 10:17 AM  
OpenID 759e5b7c-71a2-11e0-93dd-000bcdcb5194 said...

@ArronC07 OH MY GOD! SHUT UP! SHUT UP! SHUT UP! All you fscking do is btch, btch, btch, whine, whine, whine, moan, moan, MOAN! You do not know what you are talking about. Period. Your ranting, and that of your ilk here, is about as coherent as the stark raving of a heroin junkie in withdrawal! If MY actions have consequences for YOU, then I guess that's something YOU have to deal with. I don't really give a flying fsck. Go back to your mom's basement, curl up in the fetal position AND JUST DEAL. If you're lucky, maybe one of your similarly deranged friends here will come over and spoon with you while you both cry yourselves to sleep. Just one question: are you feeling like the big spoon or little spoon this morning?

April 28, 2011 at 10:19 AM  
Blogger Rekees said...

Peoples nievity on here is shocking.

You can't blame somebody for something they didn't do so why is George even partly responsible for this attack on the PSN?

Feel like I'm repeating myself but a toolmaker isn't responsible for the idiot who takes said tool and beats somebody over the head with it!

Lets not forget that 'hacking' has been part and parcel of the gaming community, not just part of but embraced in some aspects since it practically began, from modding games to adding features previously not seen on hardware. Strange how for the past 20 odd years it's not just been acceptable, but even supported by the original manufacturers in some cases. Just look at the MS Kinect for a superb example.

MS - "Ohh look you've done something interesting with our hardware, how about we give you an SDK and help you develop it further"
Sony - "Ohh look you've done something interesting with our PS3, we can't make money out of it easily so we're going to sue your ass and remove features you PAID for."


I'm genuinly unbiased in this I'm just trying to look at things logically. Geo did drop the ball when it came to publicly releasing parts of Sonys code. There is no one way or another about this, it was copyrighted. BUT! That was months ago. Is it Georges fault that Sony instead of developing their security after it was shown to be not just bad, but fucking appalling, then did nothing other than hire lawyers to go and try to make an example of one person?

A lot of people seem to forget that from the very beginning Geo has never supported piracy, he also offered to assist Sony in plugging holes so consumers get to retain OtherOS officially. Or, how about the fact he wasn't the first to try hacking the PS3 or (Sorry George) made it as far as the fail0verflow guys who again, months ago demonstrated how much of a fail Sony had made regarding the PS3s security...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nAiT3jltiY&feature=related

Yet Sony decided to do nothing. OK The PS3 is a seperate entity in part to the PSN and a fail of one was never necessarily going to mean a fail on the other. But it has and your blaming the guy that demonstrated that your infomation was never secure in the first place.

April 28, 2011 at 10:28 AM  
Blogger lwrgwladys said...

All these whoppers are obviously frustrated at not being able to play psn. Really if you sit down with the facts it is obviously not @geohot's doing directly. It is clear that there is an indirect link to @George but, like in the smith&wesson analogy, providing somebody with the education doesn't cause the problem. These folk are either a) freedom fighters highlighting sony's ineptitude or b)'cyberterrorists' Profiting from sony's ineptitude.
In my (humble) opinion as I haven't heard reports of cashmonies being frittered I would suggest it is probably a. Either way, similarly to blaming an entire religion for extremist activity, your statements regarding disproportionate blame are highly bigoted.
George good job. Thanks for the soapbox by the way! @lwrgwladys

April 28, 2011 at 10:41 AM  
Blogger ThePirateKid said...

Well said @rekees, couldn't have said it better myself

April 28, 2011 at 10:46 AM  
Blogger sk1887 said...

Sony should implement security where it's more needed. A use of useless security was in the past: atrac players, which played only signed OMA/OMG files, signed by their software (SONIC STAGE). If you created / converted atrac files yourself, the player would display "DRM ERROR". Indeed that program is discontinued and owners of old players are in hands of a useless stick. Besides, sony allowed only registered devices, to play songs bought from the store. Now that the CONNECT server is down you can't transfer your bought songs to your atrac players. You can transfer your mp3s, but everytime you have to convert all your library again (http://www.connect-europe.com/ < the support link doesn't even work anymore...).

Where it's people data, I would have assumed an encryption was a default. Instead see what happened. Hackers in this case should be thanked, as they unveiled how naked your personal data was in PSN. They caused sony to create better security, now let's see what they are going to do? lol

Sony isn't the one to be blamed completely. People are fool too. Do you trust the web so much to share your data so blatantly ? You should know well that the web2.0 is going to become a wikipedia of your data. Hope people learned it by now?
By the way thanks for your post GeoHot.

April 28, 2011 at 10:50 AM  
Blogger Andraea Lynne said...

@George Hotz, I was hoping you'd comment on this-- thank you for your post.

To everybody who is saying that you have a great deal of the blame in this... I'm not sure if I agree or not. I mean, yes, your kerfuffle did start a LOT of this. But at the same time, it was bound to happen sooner or later-- gamers are inherently selfish by nature, moreso than many other people. But you've *always* said that you do NOT support piracy and that you never had any malicious intent with your work, you only wanted to be able to use *your* PS3 in the way that YOU want. Which, as far as I know, has been -offline-.

I'm disgusted that a group of "hackers" would exploit people for absolutely no reason other than the fact that they have a beef with Sony... and am not overly suprised (albeit disappointed) that, as you said, Sony was pouring so much into legal defense/prosecution and nothing into security. How do you keep hackers out of your system? You pay even better ones to work for you, to find out how they themselves -could- break in and FIX THE PROBLEM BEFORE IT HAPPENS.

The way I see it, this entire situation (both with you / Other OS and the PSN fiasco) is akin to a car's original manufacturer taking the stock exhaust, downgrading it and putting a chip in the car so your performance is limited, and then trying to reclaim it when you put in anything aftermarket to enhance performance.

Personally, I think that Sony has a LOT to answer for. It's one thing to admit to a security breach (as humiliating as it may be) when it happens so that affected users can take necessary precautions to make sure that their identities and personal information aren't abused, and another altogether to HIDE said security breach for what was it-- three or four days?-- and attempt to cover it up as "system maintenance" (even though, let's face it, most of us knew they'd been hacked) and continue to allow more than 77 million people's personal information to stay compromised and in the hands of someone whose intent was less than kind.

And just for the record, is it really THAT difficult to enter in your credit card information every time you use it on PSN? Or to go to your local 7-eleven and buy a PSN card? It's illegal for corporations to store clients' credit card numbers without permission, so why would you give them the permission and put yourself at risk for the identity theft in the first place? Peoples' stupidity absolutely confounds me.

April 28, 2011 at 11:01 AM  
Blogger tredstone said...

Every day systems are the target of enumeration and exploitation. Sony has a duty of care, they failed to carry out this duty.

Reading these comments, no wonder George does not do much for the community any more - its a shame as many need his skills yet when so many people are here just to blindly bash him. I guess thats the type of warrior the keyboard attracts

April 28, 2011 at 11:04 AM  
Blogger neloangelo said...

@ The Rising... You guys know that PSN is free right? A service that actually supports game sharing? The people that use it are innocent bystanders. But I guess this doesn't matter when the end goal is achieved... Who's the terrorist here? No one is blaming George directly. That would be unfounded and immature. The direct blame are the Hackers. Probably the same ones that support George. Which is completely the wrong way to do so. An indirect link. This all kicked off during the case. Unilateral action before the it was even decided. So much for free speech.

April 28, 2011 at 11:13 AM  
OpenID Anon1sE8aDeD said...

sk1887: They didn't learn and they won't. That's how humans are...

April 28, 2011 at 11:15 AM  
Blogger jelly said...

sony totally deserves it.

and i am a ps3 user.

i hope psn never come back online again.

do not mess with the legion.

April 28, 2011 at 11:53 AM  
Blogger The Rising said...

This is no longer a case for fanaticism or otherwise. There are only two sides to this case: Those who are for liberty, and those against it. Throwing aside your guilt as a party who wishes to do nothing but throw away liberty for the safety of your "walled garden" (violated LONG before GeoHot's jumpering/free() debacle, from what I was hearing from friend of mine playing your venerable Call of Duty-series games) deserve nothing but the consequences of what you support. The consequences of your demented outlook is nothing but your own misery and no future technological advancement whatsoever. If you are against liberty, you are anti-American. You are a terrorist.

The PlayStation Network is a scheme for compatible devices to receive updates, facilitate matchmaking and foster community. Those who seek to hurt others for capital gains (as I'm figuring the criminals behind this network attack were about - Again, speculation at this point since no one from either side of the breach have brought up how or why it was done), should be put in the very same cell you anti-American terrorists belong in, as well as the most base, brutal and corrupt elements of our society.

GeoHot, fail0verflow, and all of the personalities before them have done nothing to hurt people, but have opened up incredible avenues of innovation, the same ones that allow you to be here on your computers to denounce the works they take part in to advance the market and technology. The people who hurt others for their own selfish, terrible and needless personal capital gains have hurt America for too many decades. The people who hurt others like so are not hackers, they are criminals. They are every bit criminals like those of you who wish GeoHot the most terrible fates are criminals.

The real criminals are those who seek to do nothing but hurt other people. The real criminals are those of you anti-American terrorists seeking to rid everyone of their liberty and freedom so you can feel cuddly warm while the culture around you gets sapped. That's enough out of you. If you are against liberty, you are a terrorist.

April 28, 2011 at 12:02 PM  
Blogger Ken said...

This is pretty entertaining to watch. Some of posts are ridiculous and others make a whole lot of sense. The bottom line is Sony decided to piss off its "smart" customers by removing OtherOS. That's like buying a new car and taking it to the mechanic a year later only to find that your air conditioning has been removed. Yeah the car will run, but you'll be really pissed when it's 100 degrees outside. People originally bought the PS3 because of all of the extended features because it's not just a gaming system. I bought the PS3 when it first came out because of the media and BluRay capabilities.

So the PSN is down now. Yeah, I'm butthurt that I can't play Black Ops online, but I'm willing to deal with it as long as this mess is properly resolved (meaning Sony better secures the PSN). Geohot is a pioneer and while everyone can question his ethics and the repercussions behind his hack, there may be numerous positive outcomes here. First, there were obviously flaws in the PS3 and the PSN and even though Sony claimed they were bulletproof, they got owned. Now the flaws will be fixed (PSN mainly). Second, Sony has a huge mess to clean up and their ego will probably drop a few notches along with their stock. I would expect them to start focusing more on customer service, especially since they are gonna have 77 million pissed off PSN subscribers. Sony is going to have to do something big to rebuild its reputation once they've cleaned up this mess.

Geohot, you built the lock pick device here and gave it out to the world. By all accounts, your intentions seemed positive and I believe that what you did was a huge service to everyone. You didn't make anyone hack into the PSN, so you can't be blamed for their actions. The attacker(s) acted irresponsibly and didn't take into account all of the end users they would negatively affect. Your actions are going to force Sony to step up to the plate and be a better company (hopefully). Maybe over time, instead of claiming that the system is unbreakable, they will encourage folks to try and break in, so they can patch the flaw. And maybe they will learn that they shouldn't go and start removing capabilities that were once advertised when the system was originally sold. So for now, I'll just sit back with my bag of popcorn and continue watching.

April 28, 2011 at 12:08 PM  
Blogger Fading Dream said...

Hmm, so if this is Geo's fault, then it actually goes back to Sony for making the console. It then must go back to Edison who founded the lightbulb (don't you dare say it was someone else... I'm not looking it up!) I don't condone piracy or anything, but if I want to mod a console, I have the right to. It's just like if I want to install Linux on a Windows machine. They can't patch it so I can't, and that's just stupid anyway. It's the hackers, plain and simple. And the bad ones, not people indirectly involved.

April 28, 2011 at 12:35 PM  
Blogger xino said...

who ever did this shot Anon in the foot.

no one would roll along with Anon in the future.

I do hope they catch this guy, he literally shocked the world with this and the whole world is talking about this in the news.

He probably gave the details to other hackers to use people's id. Someone said his credit card was breached from Brazil.

April 28, 2011 at 12:58 PM  
Blogger Ken said...

It looks like the lawsuits against Sony have begun:
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/139169/20110428/class-action-lawsuit-against-sony-over-playstation-breach.htm

April 28, 2011 at 1:21 PM  
Blogger www.Dog-On-Fire.com said...

I just wonder... if sony put up a $1,000,000 reward for the identity of the hacker, how quickly would someone finger him/her? I think we should put a bounty on this persons head and end all the bitching and lawsuit talk. If the hacker was caught and PSN went back up, none of this would matter for 99.9999% of the people affected.

April 28, 2011 at 1:34 PM  
Blogger retromufc said...

George had nothing to do with this, it's likely bottom feeding cyber criminals that are looking to profit off this. You shouldn't go blaming the good guys(Geohot) when the bad guys(Sony and the hackers) are doing what they do.

Geohot you're the man, thanks for standing up for user rights for the products they own.

April 28, 2011 at 1:58 PM  
OpenID BrokenXWorDs2die said...

Ok so Sony needs a better team obviously they feel ashamed they got owned and now feel hackers are a threat, this is the Network what else did they expect, what do they believe "they live in a world of no hackers." If they sue :Geo: it's only for one reason only, they cannot win this war. What they really think suing a hackR is going to make a hackR disappear, the only way for there to not be hackers is if there is no more networks. Hackers aren't wrong for wanting to gain the knowledge to learn how something works. So they punish them for figuring out Sony's flaw. If you want hackers to stop hacking then just give them the information they want.


They will never win even if they do sue for what they want because there will always be that leak and always be hackRs. I am sure of it.

April 28, 2011 at 1:59 PM  
Blogger MiTDawn said...

Hey GEOHOT yours such an inspiration man I fucking love you to bits and I understand about your freedom policy thingy! I know you wouldnt hack PSN although I dont have a PS3. Your the kind of honest, cool, intelligent guy! I am also wondering if I would be able to join the anonymous team. I know a fair amount on PC's and things like this but Im a fast learner ready to learn this shit and Im no kinda thick dumm guy like them at sony :D but anyways thanks
my email is manutomo@hotmail.com
thanks again
Andy

April 28, 2011 at 2:42 PM  
Blogger Chris said...

It seems to me that it was just a little over a month ago Sony won a subpoena from the court to gather all of the IP addresses of everybody that looked at geohot's jailbreak on youtube, google, and twitter.

Now it seems that someone has has gathered all of the information of everyone that had to do with the PlayStation Network. But without the court ordering to do so.

Sony still has this information the gathered . And whoever did the intrusion now has that information as well. It seems to me privacy was violated twice within a period of a little more than a month. Due to this everyone loses.

April 28, 2011 at 3:21 PM  
Blogger wallfly420 said...

@accron
"The point is, if George hadn't done what he'd done groups like Anonymous wouldn't have got involved and other hackers wouldn't have had the tools to do what they did to PSN. "

WTF are you psychic or the voice of ALL OTHER OS USERS im real fucking curious? listen you fkn lil skiddie troll if you like to azz raped via monetary slavery and corp conformity...GOOD FOR YOU SHEOPLE.....I DONT ...So I AM THANKFUL that after all this end user abuse BY SONY....THAT SOME (hopefully) ENDUSERS...ABUSED THERE REPUTATION LIKE YOU SONY FAN BOYS WANT TO GEOHOTS BECAUSE YOUR SO MOTHER FUCKIN JEALOUS OF HIS SKILL SET... Sorry faggots callem how i see em... Blackhat Out (yeaH IM NOT A BIG FAn of geohots but he beats the shit out of you retarded trolls! SONY FAN BOYS ARE SUFFERING OF MASS PALSEY

April 28, 2011 at 4:18 PM  
Blogger wallfly420 said...

PS: WE WERE ALL WARNED ON Thursday, February 17, 2011 click my name check the blog post "PSN Raises Significant Legal Concerns With Private Data Management Failures" NOW YOU TELL ME PSYCHIC TROLL MAN...See if SONY HAD TIME TO "NOT FAIL YOU" ...See if ITDS SONY FAULT FOR AS GEOHOT POINTED OUT....BEING ALL TO ARROGANT...

April 28, 2011 at 4:25 PM  
OpenID onceahacker said...

Except YOU are a part of this. This is all your making. Before YOU came along, everything was fine.....

You may not have directly hacked PSN (so you claim), but you indirectly did....

YOU hacked OtherOS that resulted in it getting removed
YOU released the keys that made Sony sue you
YOU enabled the custom firmware that allowed access to dev accounts
YOU are the one that drove Anonymnous and their splinter groups to DDoS PSN

April 28, 2011 at 4:30 PM  
Blogger wallfly420 said...

PPS: to put to rest "who did it" the group claiming responsibility is Lucky_LUKES Turkish Muslum Hackers Group you can read on SKFU "sk8terfu"'s blog and see a nice write up in regard to that so that should put the "we blame an intellectual innovator for this.." to rest at any rate...I appologize for the ranting triple posting ragedum but holy shit guys really?

April 28, 2011 at 4:35 PM  
Blogger wallfly420 said...

SUNSGHINE WE COULD DO THIS ALL DAY...

"YOU hacked OtherOS that resulted in it getting removed"

And you KNOW NO ONE ELSE WOULD OR COULD HAVE DONE THIS AND YOU THINK THAT WILL TO DO THIS WAS NOT PRESENT WITH OR WITHOUT? HAVE YOU EVER READ THE HACKERS MANIFESTO? Yes SYMBIOTIC WILL IS A BITCH HUH...

"YOU released the keys that made Sony sue you"

Fair Enough on the later but please believe any of MILLIONS OF US WOULD HAVE....Given that chance...DONT BE A H8r be a appreciator LMAO

"YOU enabled the custom firmware that allowed access to dev accounts"

Actually that isnt accurate keppin trackin back fuck face(cough failoverflow) any fuckin ways LOL (heard of a scene b4 retard thats what your doin here right? tryin to act like its JUST GEO huh not the SYMBIOTIC WILL OF MANY ABUSED END USERS thats real cute ...

"YOU are the one that drove Anonymnous and their splinter groups to DDoS PSN"

Yeah Anom's dev dont have a mind of their own or goals of their own im sure thats why every post they have made said WE ANOM DO EVERYTHING WE DO CUZ OF ONE MAN...GEORGE HOTZ...You know usually SARCASM IS HARDER TO DETECT ONLINE but your making this 2 easy anything else ?

April 28, 2011 at 4:44 PM  
Blogger neloangelo said...

@ The Rising... Based on your last comment I'm the fanatic? Firstly, I don't play Call of Duty or bury myself in online games. Believe whatever you want. Also I never mentioned Fail0verflow or George hacking PSN. What I did say is that the PSN is wrong, immoral and uncalled for. Those are the terrorist as innocent people are the ones paying the price. Your definition of terrorism is anti-Americanism? Sp communist are Terrorists? That's a very simple minded view.

This is bigger than GeoHot, bigger than Fail0verflow... Bigger for one simple reason, the law was broken, the fundamental right given to me has been violated, the law which gives me free speech and protection has been penetrated by people who are blindly thinking that such actions support GeoHotz "cause". It doesn't they are cyber terrorists, they are the criminals... And me? Well I the community that bought a game, yet my money may be stolen.

Lastly, I am most certainly a distribute fanboy. I would speak our the same if this was about Microsoft. So don't say "that's enough out of you"...

April 28, 2011 at 4:45 PM  
Blogger neloangelo said...

Apologies for all the spelling mistakes. Typing these from my phone, and the autocorrect is annoying. That should have read disgrunted.

April 28, 2011 at 4:49 PM  
Blogger wallfly420 said...

Its the internet bro...no worries xD Besides Hookd on Fonix Werkd Fer Mei LOL

H4x0rz Manifesto
http://www.phrack.org/issues.html?issue=7&id=3&mode=txt

April 28, 2011 at 4:55 PM  
Blogger NeoTechni said...

Actually Geohot, YOU are to blame for this. The custom firmware used could only have been used because YOU hacked the PS3. This is all your fault. And this proves why Sony needs to go after hackers.

April 28, 2011 at 5:08 PM  
Blogger Delerium said...

People seriously need to look up the difference between a white hat and black hat hacker. The people who stole everyone's PSN account info are obviously black hats. Geohot is either a white hat or grey hat depending...

April 28, 2011 at 5:10 PM  
Blogger Kevin Cook said...

@NeoTechni:

What custom firmware? Are you suggesting that the PS3 hack had anything to do with the crackers getting into PSN?


The PSN breach was done most likely on a PC, probably running Linux. Should we blame Linus Torvalds now?

Hell, lets just cut to the top. I blame the guy who invented fire. None of this would have been possible without fire, right?

April 28, 2011 at 5:30 PM  
Blogger vitorgatti said...

Nice post, Geohot.
And, seconding ThePirateKid's comment:
"All they had to do was keep OTHER OS...look at them now"

April 28, 2011 at 6:54 PM  
Blogger ALLAN ARAÚJO said...

você é o melhor hacker

April 28, 2011 at 6:58 PM  
OpenID letterman said...

Is anyone ready to blame the faggots who hacked the PSN for hacking the PSN?

Otherwise, I'm going to blame Gottlieb Daimler the next time my Mercedes gets a flat tire and I don't even care that Mercedes doesn't make tires!

Or maybe I'm wrong, maybe Geohotz created a hack for the PSN?

April 28, 2011 at 7:22 PM  
Blogger motomagx said...

sony fail again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again!!!

3.20 -> OtherOS - Sony fail
3.41 -> fail - jailbreak
3.42 -> fail - jailbreak
3.50 -> fail - jailbreak
3.55 -> fail - jailbreak
3.56 -> fail... maybe
3.60 -> fail... but in progress
PSN: BIG FAIL

U$ 24bi, in one week.

thanks, geohot, really. sony is really arrogant and is paying for his own arrogance.

let this big fish fry.

April 28, 2011 at 7:30 PM  
Blogger splicage said...

@Kevin Cook

A PC? Really? I thought it was done on a gameboy!

April 28, 2011 at 7:45 PM  
Blogger Tobbeo said...

What about your hubris Geohotz? You're "famous" now so you think your voice matters more than anyone else's? You bought a system, you decided to not agree with the terms that they set for their system. Somehow that's Sony's fault and not yours. If you don't like the terms, don't buy the system!

Then somehow you claim that Sony deserves this? Do you blame a bank that's been robbed or do you blame the robbers? No company owes you anything. If you don't like the terms at which they sell you their product, don't buy it. It's that simple. If you want to create an open platform and think people want that, then go for it. That's your right as a free person.

You are speaking like a fundamentalist. "My view on the truth is the absolute truth so I should be able to do what I want, even if it hurts a company or people's jobs involved". Open your mind.

No one deserves to have a crime done against them. Sony didn't do you anything wrong. They stated the terms at which they sold you the system and YOU decided that you weren't going to abide by those terms. That makes YOU the asshole. And the hackers that hacked into Sony should be caught and prosecuted as any other criminal that causes harm to others; in this case both Sony and its users.

April 28, 2011 at 7:49 PM  
OpenID watsuke said...

For all those that dont understand a simple timeline, wow your fucking retarded. Anyways, heres how it went:
George hacked the PS3 via otheros and AFTER(do you know what that mean, after?) Sony removed otheros via a FW update. So how could George be hacking to get the otheros back, when it wasnt even removed in the first place? I hope you stupid people get it now.

April 28, 2011 at 8:01 PM  
Blogger Hypnotoad said...

I have to makek a comment. I am NOT a hacker/cracker or security specialist. i am a network person. I do not play on PSN, but I do have an opinion.

If I purchase a product, it is mine. You can not arbitrarily come and take pieces and parts of it away from me. If I want to modify it, I should be 100% able to. If I want to use my own software on it, or software provided by friends (known and unknown), I should be able to, at my own risk.

I buy cars, I modify the engines, I go 165MPH in a 1/4 mile. I did that because I OWN the car. The car manufacturer can not come back to me and tell me I have to stop because they still have ownership of the car.

If George wanted to hack his box, it was his. If he wanted to tell people how to do the same, they had the right, at their own risk of course. If you want to know how to increase the horsepower on your mid-70's Plymouth, I can tell you, but you do so at your own risk. I assure you not one of the manufacturers will come and tell me to cease and desist.

You need a bad guy, go find the one who is actually to blame. Don't blame the guy who helped many free their boxes. His "leaking" the code did not cause, create or coerce the criminals who hacked the passwords/accounts. Don't pick on the first person you see. That would be like you being near a bank during a robbery and being named as the theif.

Come on, realize that I bought it with my money, it belongs to me!

April 28, 2011 at 8:07 PM  
Blogger Kevin Cook said...

@splicage:

Well it would be delicious irony if Sony was hacked on a PS3 cluster running Linux.

April 28, 2011 at 8:23 PM  
Blogger Kevin Cook said...

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April 28, 2011 at 8:42 PM  
Blogger Kevin Cook said...

@watsuke:

Your timeline is a bit wrong.

January 2010 Hypervisor research started.

March 2010 Sony announces removal of OtherOS.

April 2010. George posts video of working OtherOS after it was removed.
^ this here is what where George hacks the PS3 to restore the OtherOS.

January 2011 RootKey debacle, working homebrew, and the TRO.

April 28, 2011 at 8:52 PM  
Blogger oldskool978 said...

Hey GEOHOT, Help us good guys save the day.
I am inclined to creating a linux distribution specifically for the PS3 system.
If we ask sony to accept our help in exchange for happy customers, the community can help build an operating system that runs natively on the PS3.
ENDORSE MY CAMPAIGN
KIT

April 28, 2011 at 9:04 PM  
Blogger oldskool978 said...

It would be nice to bypass the hyper-visor. run a kill all command before running opengl enabled applications (games) and use the extra ram to push the GPU. if sony where smart they would allow us to use their their SDK in order to make the PS3 a legitimate computer system. linux is GPL they wouldn't have to worry about paying for anything, just marketing. and us linux users don't fair well with marketing.
its mpre then a dream brother. my ps3 will be around when the ps4 is out. and i will hack the crap out of it when that time comes.. you know why? cuz I paid for it. so sony can suck my balls.

April 28, 2011 at 9:11 PM  
Blogger sony user said...

I've been reading these posts and it seems that no one wants to accept any blame on either side...I'm a sony player for a number of reasons...1/ It has the games I want to play 2/ it didn't cost me a monthly fee on top of everything else I pay to play online 3/ the controller is very comfortable for me and has been since the PSone. With that said you might have an idea of how long I have been playing games on a sony console. Now with all the crap going on with the psn the real question I'm seeing is "Who suffers?" Blame game aside...WE the consumers & gamers suffer. 24Billion dollars in a possible lawsuit loss...very questionable...personally I don't think it will see the light of day...for genius with computers and programming languages you would think that one of you would have had the sense to see that Sony is a very large corporation and has it's hands in many cookie jars; to coin a phrase...so do you really think they wouldn't offer buy outs for the complaintants. In my opinion both sides are at fault and both sides are equally egotistical. Sony is wrong because they think they have the right to take something away with updates...news flash...if you didn't want to lose it you shouldn't have updated...granted you wouldn't be able to play most of the new games but that is your(our) choice as a consumer. Stop wanting something for nothing...it is theft no matter how you look at it...If you want to crack your own ps3 or whatever system you own go ahead but why the need to publish your success? EGO that is the need. I could probably rant for hours on all this bullsh*t but the fact is the only ones getting hurt are not the hackers or sony but Us the consumers...so to sony and the hackers(all of them;those who broke into to sony's mainframe and those who are trying to justify their actions) Thank you for F*CKING ME and all the other gamers who would like to play online with friends from around the world. Next time you decide to take up a fight for rights try doing it legally.

April 28, 2011 at 9:18 PM  
OpenID iVIN said...

George I really Wish You would think about The documentary "Piracy: proceed with caution" as This is one of the best Ways to use your Talent and fame in a Way to Educate the End user.. People that come here and frequent these kind of blogs and Sites are one kind... but we least forget about the people that have never heard of you... or the jb scene.. or the fact that a console can be hacked or Modded in Such a Way ...

Companies like Sony have made a practice of Treating the Consumer as Nothing more then a sales figure.

Please Consider this offer. And if its about money Then we would be more then willing To pay you for your time and help.

Vintendo.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJHwzhAdccw

April 28, 2011 at 9:24 PM  
Blogger Franciozzy said...

Dude. Really? You lost it at paragraph 4.
Reread five times before posting. It's too obvious.

April 28, 2011 at 10:25 PM  
Blogger Joseph Ira Tkacz said...

Why do you have to tinker around with stuff? Do you really think you support a noble cause because you can mess around with a gaming console? Enabling it to do things it was not intended to do? Yes, we have every right in the world to do what we want with our property, we just need more intelligent people buying it in the first place. Some might say Hotz and similar hackers are smart and crafty. I think I speak for close to 70 million when I say you are nothing more than scum. What about the guy who works a hard week and just wants to chill out and play some games online? Because of you, he hasn't been able to do that for over a week. All so you could enable a bunch of stupid apps and roms on yet another console. That's real cool man, much more satisfying than say, working and actually earning a new game. Nope, instead this week Playstation fans were forced to feel violated. Blame Sony you say? Sony doesn't attack people, they release hardware that they can enjoy in a respectful manner. Of course, you wouldn't know much about respect. Hey, i'm not hiding my name, i'm just a fellow human being that loves my gaming clean and legal, the way it's intended to be. You want to hide behind a screen and act tough the rest of your life? You'll realize how wrong you were inevitably, whether it be tomorrow, or on your deathbed. Know that when it comes to liberty and justice, you stand for neither.

April 28, 2011 at 11:02 PM  
Blogger Killerhappy said...

@Joseph Ira Tkacz: "I think I speak for close to 70 million when I say you are nothing more than SCUM"

Well said!  >:^(

April 28, 2011 at 11:48 PM  
Blogger Killerhappy said...

@Eiranathym

So, you are... THE EDUCATED, right?

April 29, 2011 at 12:17 AM  
Blogger Eiranathym said...

@Killerhappy:

Educated about the legal/political situation? Yes.

Educated about the precise technical details about PS3 jailbreaking / hypervisor bypass? No.

Educated about how ignorant the anti-Hotz posters are behaving here? Yes.

Still waiting for you to back up your position with any kind of factual data? You betcha.

April 29, 2011 at 12:25 AM  
Blogger Killerhappy said...

@Eiranathym

Educated DELETING comments?

Mmm... NO. Sorry kid...

April 29, 2011 at 12:29 AM  
Blogger Eiranathym said...

@Killerhappy:

How does your statement in any way validate YOUR position?

April 29, 2011 at 12:32 AM  
Blogger Killerhappy said...

I'm a GAMER, not a savior-hacker/cracker/spamer/pro-Hotz/troll/whatever...

April 29, 2011 at 12:37 AM  
Blogger Eiranathym said...

@Killerhappy:

You don't need to be savvy to the subject matter to contribute to the conversation, but you need to at least educate yourself to some of the issues before wading in here and firing off insults at someone. Hey, you wanna be pissed off that the PSN is down? I agree with that completely, it's BS. However, flying in here to insult someone just because you heard that he enabled jailbreaking or whatever the hell it is you're operating under the assumption of, without being able to back it up in any way, then it makes you look like a fool. The Internet is the only place this happens and is somehow acceptable - if you do this in IRL, you look like a complete asshole (Donald Trump is the latest example of this phenomenon). The hypocrisy of the position you share with some other commentators becomes quickly obvious when you stop to think about it. Sony killed OtherOS support - a feature that was advertised as part of the PS3. In response, you somehow get it in your brain to come over here and call someone you don't even know, scum. Well, guess what - now something of yours is gone, albeit not with the finality of OtherOS, and you blame.. Geohot?! What?! Blame Sony! Hotz didn't turn off the PSN - SONY DID. SONY did not do their due diligence on their network security. SONY did not comply with elementary security practices. Nothing Hotz did could affect either of those, whether he re-enabled OtherOS or not. You don't even have any evidence that his work caused the network intrusion! So seriously.. don't come into a conversation, trying to absolve yourself of any kind of responsibility for speaking on a level of adult logic by saying "Well, I just play games and I don't know anything - but that sure as hell isn't going to stop me from vomiting out my ignorant opinion anyways!" Just take 10 minutes to investigate a topic before weighing in on it.

April 29, 2011 at 12:59 AM  
Blogger Killerhappy said...

One question: Who opened the Chaos Gate? Sony with the OtherOS theme? or GeoHot when unleashed the console's root key?

Take a breath...

April 29, 2011 at 1:10 AM  
Blogger Eiranathym said...

@Killerhappy:

Your question is not relevant to the current issue, but I will answer anyways - it was Sony. In it's arrogance, Sony has trampled the rights of consumers again and again and again. Some people fight for their rights. Some people drink the Kool-Aid. Either way, it was the company that told its consumers to eat cake that started it, not the people that said to hell with that.

The reason your question is not relevant: You, nor anyone else, has yet to prove that the network intrusion was in any way caused by GeoHot re-enabling OtherOS. Correlation != causation - and by that I mean, JUST BECAUSE a new, homebrew firmware was released whose installation implemented the method GeoHot published for re-enabling OtherOS, it does NOT mean that GeoHot's method caused the security breach. Again, I ask you - show me some evidence that the PSN intrusion was caused by Rebug or any other implementation of GeoHot's published method. If you can't, then your argument doesn't have a leg to stand on.

April 29, 2011 at 1:22 AM  
Blogger Killerhappy said...

Estás olvidando que todas las consolas son máquinas LICENCIADAS. Estás comprando un producto en el que Sony tiene acceso al software constantemente. Por esa razón, en la LICENCIA hay unos términos que debes ACEPTAR o RECHAZAR. Si los leíste, aceptaste y luego te quejas, ¿Quién es el tonto? WHO?

Ciertamente puedes hacer lo que quieras con lo que has comprado, pero no por ello puedes hacer cosas que dañen la propiedad intelectual de toda la gente que trabaja en la industria. No hablo solamente de Sony, sino de todos aquellos que desarrollan y diseñan juegos. ¿Sony fue arrogante por defender SUS DERECHOS y los derechos de TODOS los que desarrollan para la consola? Piénsalo bien. Si haces un juego durante 3 años con una inversión millonaria, ¿Querrías verlo GRATIS en la red? ¿Qué sentirías? Happyness? Yeah, sure...

Is late here, see ya...

April 29, 2011 at 1:37 AM  
Blogger Eiranathym said...

@Killerhappy:

The software on the machine is licensed. The hardware is not. There are posters in this collection of comments that have already summarized the interest in consumers owning the -hardware- and being able to do what they please with that -hardware- far more eloquently than I could. I imagine most of the OtherOS users could care less about using PSN or any other licensed software that comes with the machine.

Licensing has nothing to do with your position, though. You came into the comments to "/signed" someone calling GeoHot scum. Okay, so now you need to support your position by citing some kind of reasonably unbiased source that anything GeoHot did to the PS3 at all served to enable the recent PSN outage. And you haven't, you're just redirecting.

April 29, 2011 at 1:54 AM  
Blogger sony user said...

LOL...censorship in your blog...NICE..afraid of the truth are we?

April 29, 2011 at 2:07 AM  
Blogger George Hotz said...

What the hell did I censor? Say w/e you want.

April 29, 2011 at 3:03 AM  
Blogger Owner said...

Hotz, really? It has EVERYTHING to do with you. YOU were the one who decided to mess with OtherOS. YOU were the one who then bragged about hacking the console through OtherOS, and when Sony removed the feature because of obvious reasons, you and your basement friends cried foul.

YOU were the one who then unleashed the console's root key on the internet for the world to see, and for your own egotistical reasons.

Then when the inevitable happened and Sony came after you, Anonymous got involved because of YOU. Then all these other basement-sleeping, milk-drinking and paranoid hackers went after Sony, forging some kind of holy crusade because of YOU.

Hotz, leave us alone, this all happened because of YOU.

April 29, 2011 at 3:12 AM  
Blogger Delerium said...

@Eiranathym - couldn't have said it better myself man. Where did all these people come from bashing George for something he didn't even do? Seems like another witch hunt to me. So here's the scenario I pose to everyone accusing George:
Where was the mass quantities of user info stored? On PSN, right?
I mean, the hackers didn't exactly hack into each and every one of your PS3's and steal the info that way, right?
So George jailbreaking his PS3 and posting how he did it is completely different than saying George hacked PSN which he didn't do, right?

They stole your info from PSN itself. That means that the PSN servers out there had (a/some/many) security hole(s) in them that allowed intruders to get in and steal everyone's account info. These are servers that reside within Sony buildings, with the only public connection being across the internet, and Sony doesn't put in any effort in securing your info from being stolen? How does that not piss you off? Sony is the one who doesn't care what happens to your info and credit card numbers. They are the ones who didn't properly secure their own servers that are physically in their possession. Again, George's fault?

@Owner - You've been watching butterfly effect way too many times. This isn't an Ashton Kutcher movie. Each player in this game called life is responsible for his or her OWN actions, including members of Anonymous as well as the hackers who stole everyone's info. To blame it all on George is nothing more than using him as a convenient scapegoat since the real culprit is unknown to you.

April 29, 2011 at 4:15 AM  
Blogger Richard Chase said...

"noobs probably had the password set to '4' or something. I mean, at least it was randomly generated"

^5 for the xkcd reference :)

April 29, 2011 at 4:42 AM  
Blogger thelightcosine said...

To some of you commenters out there this is aimed at you:
http://cosine-security.blogspot.com/2011/04/sony-psn-hack-leave-geohot-out-of-it.html

Of course, some of your are no doubt just Trolls, but i suspect many of you are just ignorant.

April 29, 2011 at 7:52 AM  
Blogger Saman said...

This whole shit is so funny. Stupid kids argueing that anonymous engaged because sth George did... too bad I've jobs to do. Actually, why wouldnt you activate some troll filter here? Like math calculating or logical argueing before posting a comment ...

April 29, 2011 at 8:10 AM  
Blogger Daniel Fonseca said...

I'd be very happy with all those bad comments if I were George Hotz, because what they're really saying is that nobody else in the whole world (ever) could have opened that Pandora Box... If that isn't the highest praise you can get, I don't know what is...

Nice text, man, you're a great mind (but not the only one :-) in my book of brains and values. ;)

April 29, 2011 at 8:44 AM  
Blogger Delmania said...

If you're blaming George for this attack, you're merely listening to the pro Sony forces in this argument, or simply look for someone to blame. Online services like the Playstation Network which store credit card information are under attack daily. It's just the the vast majority of attacks fail. At best, George's action simply made public the correct attack vector to use, but given the nature of Sony's flawed security model, it's inevitable that someone would have found it. The responsibility of this lies solely at the feet of Sony for implementing such a flawed model.

April 29, 2011 at 8:47 AM  
Blogger A Certain Shade of Green said...

@Delmania He may not of stole credit cards but he is the obnoxious little shit who fucked it up for the rest of us. had he only modded his own console then Sony, as well as the rest of the world would never of been able to download the exploit off his site and in turn would not of allowed the hackers with a bigger score to settle end up crippling the network and violating all of It's customers. George might not of imagined or approved of what's happening now, but make no mistake, his need to show off what he accomplished last January is what led us here, indirectly or not. Just buy the game like the rest of us. I got my pitchfork ready...

April 29, 2011 at 9:34 AM  
Blogger Lightyear said...

everyone needs to shut the fuck up and stop complaining about George!!! Stop pointing the finger at people, accept that PSN is down, and stop your bitching about it!!!

To all the people complaining about Geo's work to re-enable otherOS....you are obviously all pissed off because PSN is currently down. Think about how you would feel if you turned on your computer tomorrow and you saw an email from Sony saying "sorry, we can't get security tight enough, and are therefore removing PSN forever" You would be just as mad as those of us who actually used official otherOS on a regular basis.....so shut the hell up, accept that your crappy little sausage fest gaming community is down temporarily, and go find something constructive to spend your time doing.

Thanks for your hard work, George!! Please continue your work anonymously for those of us who do appreciate you and all you've done for our community.

April 29, 2011 at 10:14 AM  
Blogger oldskool978 said...

none of this is hotz fault. one of the reasons I bought the ps3 is to use the other OS feature. the fact that they advertised the feature then removed it pisses me off. its false advertisement and sony should give me what I want. If Hotz wouldnt have gliched the otherOS into bypassing the supervisor, I would have. so stop blaming Hotz and save your cries for SONY.
I love SONY hardware, I grew up on it and I am an avid fan. Yet I would much rather recieve what I am promised then have it taken away.

April 29, 2011 at 10:20 AM  
Blogger H said...

Eg. 2011: PS3 root key released. GeoHot got sued. Sony got hacked. PSN pwned. GeoHot blamed for starting the ripples. 201X: Sony patched the hack, fired lawyers, hired more security engineers, created an uber PSN, revolutionized software security.

@GeoHot-blamers: Still pointing fingers at GeoHot for starting the ripples?

I blame Hitler for the wonderful life we have today. Without him showing how horrid war is, we wont be here today with our PSN. Sigh.

April 29, 2011 at 11:26 AM  
Blogger Bennett said...

@Killerhappy:

If I hit you with a car, would you blame Henry Ford? Or Toyota? Or me?

Sony was entrusted with personal information. This was an agreement between PSN users and Sony, and Geohot had nothing to do with this. Therefore, it is Sony's fault for failing to protect the information entrusted to them. Not Geohot.

If you really want to blame someone, blame the people who stole your personal info.
Geohot is not one of these people.

April 29, 2011 at 11:49 AM  
Blogger Shadrecc said...

@Chris - 100% right, Sony court-warrants for millions of people's network information without consent (hacking?), a month later some annoyed powerhouse turns the tables. This is pure irony, it's laughable. Sony owes millions of people an apology. I don't think this is about hacking for profit nor liberty, it's just some guy telling Sony not to fcuk with his/her('s) and friends' I.P. addresses.

April 29, 2011 at 11:54 AM  
Blogger Mockba the Borg said...

This is definitely the funniest thread I've read in all of my life.
This will go on forever and ever and ever ... very soon we will be discussing American Rifle Association, Preemptive Strikes, Tora Bora, WMD's and things like that.
I am amazed how people still didn't throw Fukushima into the discussion.

The thing here is all plain simple: GeoHot is responsible for releasing the keys, and this we all know. If it is proved that he hacked into PSN, then he will be responsible for that too. Until now, as we don't know who did it, there's no one to blame. Who said the keys released were related to the invasion? Who said it was OtherOS used in the process? Who said they were inspired by GeoHot?

Maybe the guys blaming GeoHot, being them so certain that the keys and GeoHot's hack were used in the process, are in fact the ones who did it, and are now trying to blame him so we all look at GeoHot and they can walk away unscathed. Isn't it a possibility? Or am I delusional?

Maybe it was me who did it!

C'mon guys. Just go to your banks, ask for a new card and let's move on.

I am quite sure some (not all) of you have better things to do with your life.

Cheers,
The Borg.

April 29, 2011 at 12:46 PM  
Blogger Luis Edgar Flores Gutierrez said...

It seems that Japanese arrogance got the best of Sony with the PS3...

April 29, 2011 at 12:57 PM  
Blogger ThePirateKid said...

Apparently PSN info is for sale, highest bidder gets 2.2 million credit card data

April 29, 2011 at 1:01 PM  
Blogger vynnus said...

It looks all these facts involving SONY, Hotz and the crackers will be the ingredients for the second edition of that movie Hackers. Whoever is the director please don't forget Jolie :)

April 29, 2011 at 2:00 PM  
OpenID dab71cae-728a-11e0-9f35-000bcdcb5194 said...

hey geo hot thanks and thanks again for standing up for are rights and i wish u would have finished your psn project for homebrew cause playing online would be great right now if sony wants to get mad i paid full priced for something and i wanna change it to bad thats the only way things get better whether im paid by sony to improve. i want my stuf to be the best it can be and fun as can be not lame locked up and cheap

April 29, 2011 at 2:02 PM  
Blogger theFeed said...

I've had a lot of experience with Sony personally, in business, and in store with their products. They will always overcharge. They will always apply limits. They will always screw the customer and the retailer on service. Their products do tend to be reliable, but then if you want good old Jap reliability just buy Panasonic & Pioneer where possible.

That aside, they're assholes. There's a certain sadism to the way the PS3 was conceived and launched. Instead of taking Microsoft's initiative and trying to offer a product that reflects what the public want, Sony only ever offer what they envisage the future being. Microsoft also accept their share of the fault with the Xbox, with the extended warrantys and whatnot. I'm pretty sure that PS3 update last year and the bluray shitting itself immediately were directly connected. Sony hate you like an ex-wife, Microsoft will always please you like an expensive escort. Take your pick.

Sony deserve every bad thing that ever happens to them. They invented the walkman, built the PlayStation on the back of industrial espionage at Nintendo, and all of a sudden they're number 1? They're nothing but shit.

Geohot is the man and his tireless efforts sorted many an iPhone for me and made my brick of a PS3 usable again. Shut yo' mouths and donate to his paypal fuckers.

April 29, 2011 at 2:15 PM  
OpenID solja116 said...

Alright now clearly the only thing I am seeing is an argument between educated people, and ignorant fucks. If I were you guys I would just save it and let them keep saying w/e they like because they clearly aren't to change their mind. Just like Islamic Extremists, they dont care what you have to say, they're gonna die for their cause.

Lets say a guy with a clean criminal record buys a gun from a store for protection then turns around and uses it to rob a bank. Now who goes to jail? The guy who robbed the bank or the guy that sold him the gun? Thats the way I see it with who is at fault, and hell im not even a hacker but I understand their standpoint on this. George is definitely not to blame so get off his balls already

April 29, 2011 at 2:37 PM  
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April 29, 2011 at 2:59 PM  
Blogger TERMINATOR__786 said...

I would like for George HOtz to make the jailbreak again so people will buy PS3 leaving the costumers such as me enjoy plying with the console
the same thing they did on the Iphone (thanks for the jailbreak GEOHOT)

i Also dnt understand why he gt sued :(

April 29, 2011 at 3:00 PM  
Blogger 9a2v said...

hey GeoHot don't you want to get an exploit for the ipad 2?

April 29, 2011 at 3:45 PM  
Blogger ivak4eto said...

There's a saying - 'There Is No Such Thing As Bad Advertising' and by mentioning SONY so many times, you're actually helping them...

April 29, 2011 at 4:26 PM  
Blogger deff said...

I would be sony, I would pay someone to troll on your blog, guess they might have done it:
Sure you were my hero, being civil servant myself in a country who's going back to the stone age (France FFS), but you backed down, no matter how good was the deal you might regret it one day, selling yourself short.

April 29, 2011 at 5:05 PM  
Blogger Method193 said...

GEOHOTZ
EVERYONE KNOWS THAT IT WAS YOU AND YOUR LITTLE FRIENDS WHO HACKED INTO THE PLAYSTATION NETWORK!!!!
YOU WANT TO GET YOUR REVENGE ON THEM FOR SUING YOU
YOUR A WORTHLESS LITTLE SHIT
HOPE THE FEDS CATCH UP TO YOU AND TORTURE YOU SO YOU CAN TELL THEM THE TRUTH YOU LITTLE ASS WORM

April 29, 2011 at 7:02 PM  
Blogger Brian said...

You're right, Hotzy.

Let's blame Sony for not having the security to protect everyone's information.

You're right.

You had absolutely nothing to do with this.

At all.

You just provided the building blocks.

And the worst/best part is? You don't understand what you did.

You child.

April 29, 2011 at 7:05 PM  
Blogger Aximilation said...

First off, I am a programmer, a tinkerer, a hacker. I jailbroke my iphone, I rooted my android phone. I've been flashing phones with custom ROMs which were unsupported by the carrier/manufacturer, to my own risk. I paid for it, it's mine, leave me alone to tinker. Yes, I also have the ability to run cracked software and stolen games, partly as a result of what other hackers have provided, but you can't hold someone else liable for my potential piracy any more than you can sue wal-mart for selling a kitchen knife used to rob a person on the street. Geohot providing keys, enabling people to do cool things with their systems? That's great, I'm in favor of anyone who wants to *enable* people to tinker.

Second, responsibility. Do they fine rock stars and rappers for inspiring children to go out and commit crime? While someone's actions my cause an *effect* somewhere, you cannot say that they are *responsible* for their actions.
There is a chain of events here as well. Sony locked things down, Geohotz released keys, Sony sued him. IMO Sony went way overboard in trying to make an example of him which got a LOT of negative media and upset a lot of hackers. Later on, possibly related, someone compromised the PSN's security. You can say that the hackers are responsible, or you could say that Sony was responsible due to the heavy handed "example" stance they took, or you could say Geohotz was responsible for making Sony come after him...or you could say that Sony is responsible for using bait and switch tactics on their customers...or you could say that .... WHO IS RESPONSIBLE HERE? A little bit of everybody in my opinion. IF Sony hadn't done a bait and switch, IF Geohotz hadn't released the keys, IF Sony hadn't tried to make an example of him, IF anonymous hadn't gotten into a frenzy for retaliation, IF IF IF...None of these events assigns absolute responsibility, it was a combined work of cause and effect.

Where does the responsibility really lie?
If you stand by association, I believe Sony's bait-and-switch choices inspired a lot of this. I run linux on my home computer, and if Dell somehow ran an update which forced me to run only Windows, I would be PISSED. I would contribute to the firestorm of bad press, I might even consider some sort of retaliation. If you give someone something, then take it away, expect retaliation.
If you stand by personal responsibility, the unnamed hackers who chose to break into the PSN are responsible. What their motives are, we can only speculate. They could have done it out of vengeance, they could have done it out of greed, (whose fault is it then?) they could have even done it to try to give legitimate hackers a bad name, we can only assume.

One thing I do know, is that Sony ultimately holds the responsibility and trust of its customers. The fact that they left security holes open, and that they stored customer data un-encrypted, is their fault, and is worth the class action lawsuit coming at them. From the way I look at it, there is no way you can get around this. If Geohotz hadn't been involved, maybe there would have been less negative press, maybe it wouldn't have happened this time, but if there are holes someone is going to find them sooner or later.

Stop trying to find a scapegoat.

April 29, 2011 at 7:05 PM  
Blogger Jason HD1985™® said...

hi...man you is my idol hehe

April 29, 2011 at 10:31 PM  
Blogger wallfly420 said...

@ Thefeed

WELL SAID BRO WELL SAID!

April 29, 2011 at 10:43 PM  
Blogger Killerhappy said...

@Aximilation:

Very good comment!!!

April 30, 2011 at 12:05 AM  
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April 30, 2011 at 1:12 AM  
Blogger mojaideen said...

i LOVE your principles man! keep it up.

April 30, 2011 at 1:15 AM  
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April 30, 2011 at 1:36 AM  
Blogger Ravinous said...

Oooh, why look the kids are having a little cognitive dissonance circle jerk. Seriously though, the only thing Sony is at fault for is the original over reaction with the other OS (albeit it's somewhat understandable with what happened with the PSP). However sending out the root key and basically opening up the system to this kind of crap falls upon your head. You sir opened Pandora's box, someone could have done it in the future, but you sir took it upon yourself and unleashed this mess.

Man up and grow some balls and learn to admit fault. Hell even Sony is being brutally honest despite how much it's hurting them. I doubt you or your followers are even capable of that and now your trying to shrug off the whole thing as an outsider.

April 30, 2011 at 1:48 AM  
Blogger Kaneada said...

@ Everyone

I went to write a comment on this, but it turned into a small novel. Since there was a lot for me to say on the issue I just posted it on my blog instead. I encourage everyone to read it, whether you think Geohot is responsible for this mess or not.

http://kaneada.blogspot.com/2011/04/sonys-reason-psn-failed.html

April 30, 2011 at 2:53 AM  
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April 30, 2011 at 3:18 AM  
Blogger TankEnMate said...

@Ravinous

He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.

April 30, 2011 at 6:00 AM  
Blogger afadsfaf said...

Geofaghotz

I bought an online game last week, and u played a big role in obstructing the liberty for me to play it online now. U fucking dick face.

I'm going to track your IP and slit ur fucking throat till you bleed a slow, painful death.

April 30, 2011 at 7:35 AM  
Blogger afadsfaf said...

And to the fuck ridden cunt who hack PSN.

You need to die. If i find u, i'll skin u alive with a gut knife and pour acid over ur open flesh and hang u to dry on a bark.

April 30, 2011 at 7:53 AM  
Blogger StrangeAttractor said...

Oh wow, checkout the rabid fanboys... Kinda sad they're making death threats now. :(

What tips do you have, George, for people whose info is out there for sale?

April 30, 2011 at 7:53 AM  
Blogger A Certain Shade of Green said...

@Aximilation lol why are you using a Dell?

April 30, 2011 at 8:02 AM  
Blogger afadsfaf said...

@StrangeAttractor

Lol, nothing can be further from the truth you HIV contorted monkey.

I have no allegiance to any brand or corporation. However, i do mind when a fuck head like geocock contribute to potential criminals obstructing my gaming pleasure.

So quit your cock munching of a tiny wheener owner aka geohotz. It seems the only fan boy here is u. A fan of a micro penis hacker with nothing better to do than go on a geek crusade.

April 30, 2011 at 8:09 AM  
Blogger K said...

i know the real story hotz! - will show it next time!

April 30, 2011 at 8:39 AM  
Blogger Damien said...

Lol, you guys are funny...I don't mind for my PSN account as long as the sun is shining outside!!!
And go ahead, use my credit card, sony's gonna pay for that anyway, them or my bank, so make youreself at home...
There's no usefull data which can be compromised as long as you can't hack a brain!

George is truely a genius in his work, sony are too! You're both on the same side...after all, george just wanted to get a job at Sony and I think he's gonna have one sooner or later. Sued or not!

Aurevoir bits an bytes...

April 30, 2011 at 8:52 AM  
Blogger reano said...

Geohot, thanks for your work. Some people are simply unable to understand it.

April 30, 2011 at 9:05 AM  
Blogger Mockba the Borg said...

Still the funniest thread so far.

April 30, 2011 at 9:20 AM  
Blogger Otso said...

So blamers are saying like this:
If you buy a car for racing, like BMW 'coz it goes 250km/h, then BMW decides to upgrade ECU to limit speed to 200km/h. You hack your ECU and it goes nearly 300km/h - and of course you give this fun to your friends and community of racers also thru internet.
Afeter this BMW comes and hit you with their lawyers, 'coz you have modified their hardware for your own purposes?
In real life your only loss is your warranty..

Btw. everyone should read also this lawsuit what happened in Finland -
Customer against Sony and Sony Reseller - Considering Other OS on PS3
http://www.afterdawn.com/news/article.cfm/2011/04/21/sony_should_pay_100_to_man_for_otheros_removal_consumer_board_says

April 30, 2011 at 12:31 PM  
Blogger Kaneada said...

I'm still waiting for someone to show me the link between the Geohot jailbreak and hackers stealing Sony SQL tables. I guess the American mentality prevails: 1. If you're a Muslim then you're also a terrorist even though you were a first responder EMT to the WTC disaster.

I guess the same goes for hackers: The masses don't understand what Geohot did, so therefore because PSN is crippled a short time later, the jailbreak must have been used as a tool to penetrate Sony's network security. Where does opening up a system to run unsigned code translate to bringing down PSN? Unless Geohot wrote intrusion tools and released those to the public, people need to back off.

April 30, 2011 at 12:49 PM  
Blogger Christina said...

Do I ultimately blame Sony for not safeguarding my information, yes. Is it ultimately their fault that systems, passwords and credit cards were breached? Yes. Is Geohot innocent in all this, no.

This isn't a black and white situation, it's grey. While I certainly won't hold George responsilbe in the same way I hold Sony responsible, he's no hero. George goaded the dragon, fine. He crossed the line when he started to help mess with systems that impact millions of uninvolved people, when he cmpaigned for legal and financial support and he rallied the troops.

Yeah, this is on Sony's head but George, you were the catalyst. And let's stop pretending home brew has ever been about altruism, it's about piracy, pure and simple.

April 30, 2011 at 2:26 PM  
Blogger Kaneada said...

@Christina - That is where you are wrong. Not all of us hackers are out to pirate copyrighted material or tear apart someone else's network. Once again I reference the fact that Sony hired Network Security Analysts to help beef up their own protection. Those people are hackers, they have to be in order to protect their clientele. Are you calling them out as well?

April 30, 2011 at 3:33 PM  
Blogger v.cats said...

@Damien
Lol im with you brother crib on. The sun a shine.
@GeoHotz i'm too unintelligent to understand what you did to the PS3, wether the PSN being down is your fault or not i don't really care. I'm with my man Damien. Errrm what is altruism?

April 30, 2011 at 4:23 PM  
Blogger m3 said...

If you mess with your pipes great. Why need to advertise and put it on the internet for others to use? It's all your fault douche!

April 30, 2011 at 5:35 PM  
Blogger Shiven said...

Blame whoever you want, the dev network was insecure and hackers exploited it; it happened, get over it.

Blame doesn't resolve the situation.

April 30, 2011 at 8:48 PM  
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April 30, 2011 at 9:59 PM  
Blogger 2nd said...

Lets explore the possibilities of who would benefit from the PSN hacking incident. Anybody ever consider the possibility that a group within Microsoft's "ACE Team" may have commited the cybercrime? What better opportunity than now while the world is watching the hacking community and associations like Annoymous; to commit corporate espionage and do some considerable damage to Microsoft's only online console gaming competitor Sony. Was this false flag operation a strategic attempt to take over more of the console market? Just an interesting train of thought to ponder.

April 30, 2011 at 10:55 PM  
Blogger raztaz said...

personnally i agree with geo - at the end of the day, if you're gonna brag about something it better be true... sony bragged about the ps3/psn being unhackable.. well sorry but ANYTHING electrical is hackable! (cars can be hotwired, iphones can be jailbroken, pc's.. well lets not go there..)
i totally disagree with what these guys have done (stealing details) and i would never condone that behaviour however, i am thankful that they were able to put sony in their place...
its about time sony realised that once the ps3 is in our possession, its ours.. i.e, i dont HAVE to download firmwares/updates etc because a proxy server is easily set up ;) or i can just play it offline/on a lan network :)
but what can we do... shit happens... the right skills in the wrong hands will always lead to disaster.. i just hope sony are able to rectify what has happened... oh and defend themselves in my court case of gross negligence ;)

April 30, 2011 at 11:01 PM  
OpenID v0ld4m0rt said...

this is a direct result of you and what you put out on youtube! i hope your happy i been watching you dude and im not a fucking kid you are warned PUNK!

v0ld4m0rt

April 30, 2011 at 11:19 PM  
Blogger mjschwarz08 said...

i'm glad that you do not endorse water piracy.. the nerve of some people these days.

May 1, 2011 at 4:34 AM  
Blogger Youngnfurious said...

Whooooohoooooo....Sony say it'll be back up and running by the end of this week!!! but will take about a month for a full reboot!!...Geo, you and your crew Dev are awesome for giving us jailbreaks for FREE...what you do to the PS3 console is your prerogative...what we do to our own PS3 consoles is none of Sonys business!!...just remember bro, if anyone invented a product which is capable of of mods/jailbreaks and you posted it on the net for the public to exploit...wouldn't you be jumping up and down in rage? whether its a small or a giant corporation, freedom of information or just because you can!!...Geo you did start a chain reaction that left US the GAMERS in dark!!!...Anony's wouldn't abuse the info they hack because it'll defeat the purpose of their protest...its not fault Geo...its them idiots Anony's!!!...they hacked the network...dumb asses...while corporate management still sits on their high horses while WE suffer the consequences!!!...GET IT RIGHT ANONY!!!!...HIT CORPORATE MANAGEMENT ACCOUNTS!!!....other than that!!!!....CAN'T WAIT TO LAY DA SMACK DOWN ON BLACK OPS!!!!! LOL

May 1, 2011 at 5:04 AM  
Blogger Austin said...

Lol at ppl bashing George - idiots.

The POINT is never trust your clients security - why? Because it is OUTSIDE of your (the service providers) control and you can NEVER presume it's integrity.

The fault clearly 100% to anyone with half a brain lies with those who made that presumption.

May 1, 2011 at 6:39 AM  
Blogger Jean-François said...

t'es un pauvre imbécile !

May 1, 2011 at 7:33 AM  
Blogger Akram Etman said...

@Geohot.......you're the man :D .. nothing else

May 1, 2011 at 10:22 AM  
OpenID Roadkill1110 said...

Wow, reading through these comments made my brain explode. What people are not realizing is that people didn't use Geohots to perpetrate this. It was in all likelihood done with just a computer or group of computers*. That being said yes, it is entirely Geohots fault for this happening. He was the one who showed that Sony was just a group of asshats. This attack was done just to make Sony look like dumb asses.
*Also, using some of your peoples logic we could blame the makers of those computers or Microsoft/Apple/ODM for selling them Windows/OSX/Linux

May 1, 2011 at 1:46 PM  
Blogger Steppe said...

A lack of skill finesse and nuance was shown by all the warriors engaged in this battle.
No great leader emerged capable of forming a workable overarching strategy and selling it to the affected or afflicted. You are all failures in the Art of War. Lick your wounds, rest up and try again when you understand that war is about destruction, annihilation, and utter subjugation of your opponent. Sony is a community of punks. The hackers are a community of punks. Infinity Ward is a community of punks. Back to school little warriors. The new lesson is the inevitability of a second rate warriors weakness drawing hordes of second rate opponents. Are we clear? The Gods of War have spoken from the heights of a continuous gamma blast to the waters of tsunami and the extinction of nuclear reactors. Sony you are defeated. Hackers you are defeated. Infinity Ward you are defeated.
The Gods of War are victorious. See ya round punkettes.

May 1, 2011 at 2:03 PM  
Blogger retroactive said...

"You're the perfect example of someone who can't even grasp the simple concept of how YOUR actions have consequences for OTHER people. If Sony wanted to remove Other OS that's up to them, people like you and George should have just dealt with that. Instead like children you have this sense of entitlement and so the PS3 was hacked and root keys published. No thought was given to how this would be used by other people, all that crossed your tiny little minds was how this affected YOU""

hahaha okay. Sony removing a advertised feature of a device is not okay, and may have been illegal.. regardless of what a tos says. Im sorry but in court tos' are almost meaningless. From my numerous times in the court system it's all on the judges whim whether or not they will use something as evidence or not. A receipt for example can just be looked at as hearsay, believe me I know. Back onto topic though, when hundreds of people like me buy a device/hardware for an advertised feature we expect to have that feature for the life of the device. If they get away with this it will become a trend, and eventually you'll buy a device for a advertised feature or capability and on the company's descretion they can take away. Meaning features a device has will no longer be static... it's not right and it doesn't matter how you slice it. Right there was enough to piss me the hell off, 400 dollars and within a few months bye-bye to the one feature that made up my mind about buying the device in the first place.

That is why people worked overtime to hack the ps3, and that is the one thing that lead them to where they are today. You can try and play the blame game but it wont work this time around, Sony made that decision to screw with their customers by removing that feature they advertised, not anyone else. Perhaps those execs over at sony learn a very lesson and stick around long enough to make use of it.

May 1, 2011 at 3:14 PM  
Blogger Wolfmanjack5150 said...

it wasnt geohotz hes help so what the psn got hacked stop wining like little whores its only been 3 weeks really its a step up for security to help for future refrences but dont blame george for anything the mans a genius so stop pissing your panties psn shit anyways they never give what the customers want they make millions butthey cant make a single update with actually good features and then the welcome back program 30 days for ps plus? seriously thats just shit if you rebuildingthe fucking system then just add in cross game chat ive allways wanted that thats even the biggest feature everyone wants on ps blog so fuck you haters they cant even put a nice update on the blog it takes two days thats sad and dont say there working on getting the server back up theres such thing as a blog team that lay back all day well have a good day ladies and gentleman

May 2, 2011 at 10:41 AM  
Blogger Andrew said...

He's very cocky for a man who many put all this sony affair down to. No wonder he is claiming no responsibility and of course he wont have a PSN account as sony wont give him the steam of their shit. He will be very aware that " no smoke without fire". Yes hotz whether it was you or not, people will be looking for you and one day somewhere BANG!! they will get him! He will get what he deserves and i will laugh my little cod playing socks off.

May 2, 2011 at 11:25 AM  
Blogger PorkNBeans said...

@GeoHot I see a lot of blame flying your way. Unfair? Maybe, maybe not but if you were to blame for this for your curiosity and sharing of knowledge then the NRA are liable for every gun that takes a life.

May 2, 2011 at 1:21 PM  
Blogger Fábio Oliveira said...

Hey idiots, Sony should have taken PSN down when @Geohotz published the key. They had the tools, the time and the responsibility to do it for the sake of users info. But take this as granted: Sony only cares for money. That's why they asked you to accept terms that take all the responsibility for stolen data to you.
Geohotz, on his side, only cares for the hardware to be open. Between his side and Sony's side I take Geohotz side!
And it's for consumers like you idiots that greedy corps like Sony still do what they want with your data, hardware and money!
Now accept it kids, the reason why you are pissed is because you weren't able to play on psn these days. Grab your rusty bike and go learn how to ride!!!

May 2, 2011 at 1:31 PM  
Blogger shiro said...

I've been wondering. Can someone tell me what's the merit of playing Homebrew games and apps? Most of it are, well, not that functional to me. Not to mention some of it somehow degrades the PS3 into a GBA, SNES-ish console.

And what about Linux? What's the merit of it? I can't see the logic to have it. From the looks of it, only a small portion of the PS3 community are hurt by the removal of the OS.

I'm not sure in US, but outside US, piracy is too much. I can see why Sony is taking many moves to curb it (not that I agree with them, but still). One hacks could lead to another and eventually, create a hole for piracy. Not all people are good.

May 2, 2011 at 2:01 PM  
Blogger RMZindorf said...

I keep seeing a lot of; he, him, and his. Yet to me, this seems like a very womanly thing to do. Probably one of those stay at home mom types. You know the ones. Husband is probably over seas somewhere.

With nothing else better to do, SHE is probably making bank now. Selling off your info, you know...just like Sony does...

May 2, 2011 at 5:05 PM  
Blogger - said...

YOz Geohot, i from asia and been reading all the news regarding you and sony. For that i say a good joy done(not on the hacking part lol). People should c the whole picture before trying to blame who or what. Thought i not into hacking or interest in it, i think there are some guys like you who try to lets ppl c the true nature of big company like sony(arrogant in their own secuity and still wan to blames hacker). you c if no wan try to hack a system, how to you know the weakness of the system and how you going to improve it right. But what that hacker do to take all the personal data is wrong thought.

So keep out the good work, do what you like do to but always know the limits of how far to go(like don over do it lol).

May 2, 2011 at 9:59 PM  
Blogger Zink0xide said...

@Shiro

On Homebrew for the maker: The rewards for making homebrew are very similar to those of making a level on little big planet. Yes, it appeals to a smaller crowd as it requires a higher skill set, but to know that you created something that many other people use is often a reward in itself.

On Homebrew for the user: New content, cheap if not free. Do you own a smart phone? How many free apps do you use, even if only for 10 minuets of entertainment?

On Linux: The PS3 has a fairly unique processor, and is capable of some feats that require otherwise expensive equipment. Quite frankly, the PS3 makes for a heck of a bargain to be used as a computer. While it is somewhat gimped (mostly graphics) for linux use, it's a powerhouse for $300. If you don't believe me, just ask the DOD (http://scitech.blogs.cnn.com/2009/12/09/military-purchases-2200-ps3s/)

May 3, 2011 at 12:55 PM  
Blogger Gary H said...

@Shrio "And what about Linux? What's the merit of it? I can't see the logic to have it. From the looks of it, only a small portion of the PS3 community are hurt by the removal of the OS."

It doesn't matter how many people use a feature, if its yours and you paid for it, then why should anybody be able to steal something from you and not go to jail? Do you really want Corporate America holding the reigns of Judicial Power? Its worse than OCP in Robocop.

Sony was greedy, greedy, greedy. They dont' care about the customers, or their security. They were only concerned about profits and power.

Sony is a moron. Why not embrace the open source community and enjoy the benefits of having exploits found out before it is too late? Nope, not Sony, because they are just too "smart" to be hacked. Western Digital gets it. They encourage open source homebrew software on their devices. Because of their insight, they have quite possibly the most versatile media box on the planet.

PS3 it does everything.. oh I mean it COULD do everything if Sony would stop crippling it.

May 3, 2011 at 9:14 PM  
Blogger Gary H said...

@Austin "The POINT is never trust your clients security - why? Because it is OUTSIDE of your (the service providers) control and you can NEVER presume it's integrity."

Its sad but true... why make your FEW servers that YOU OWN secure, when you can just assume that 70 million clients you DON'T, are?

May 3, 2011 at 9:21 PM  
Blogger Law Shay said...

Think about it.

Sony, a furniture house sold tables with 4 legs -- they can be placed in un-even surface or even surface. Some people bought the tables to place on un-even grounds. After a few months, carpenters from the furniture house come to our doorsteps and say, "Placing tables on un-even ground could hurt you if you try to approach the table. So, we will remove a leg so that you would only place the table on an even ground -- you won't get hurt." Then they remove a leg from *our* table.

Then a carpenter named "Geo Hotz" come with some logs and fixed a custom leg to his own table (and told the world how to fix an additional leg to the 3-legged table). We follow suit. Sony kept on sending corporate carpenters to remove a leg from our tables and we kept on fixing a custom leg to our tables.

At some point, Sony sued Geo Hotz for his craft.

Now, some people stand on the four legged tables (fitted with custom legs) and throw stones to the furniture house.

Whom to blame ? Sony (the furniture house), those who throw stones or the carpenter who taught the world how to fix custom legs ?

Figure it out yourselve.

May 3, 2011 at 10:56 PM  
Blogger Firas said...

I don't know why kids are posting here blaming hotz when clearly this is a bigger matter, Their system is a failure and sooner or later this would've happened so, I don't worry too much because My cards expired already :| I hope. LOL. anyway f sony and hope they learned

May 4, 2011 at 12:46 PM  
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May 4, 2011 at 1:49 PM  
Blogger 852derek852 said...

@geohot Could you have filled a motion to get Sony case dismissed as a SLAPP (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_lawsuit_against_public_participation)?

Also, don't let the fanboy brigade get to you. Understand that PSN their entire existance so this is the equivalent of 9/11 for them.

May 4, 2011 at 2:38 PM  
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